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From: "Michael Gilbey" <>
Subject: Re: [Ess] Death of Charles Valentine KNAPP
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 17:32:01 +0100
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I think you are left with two possibilities at the moment. Either Charles
Knapp did die 1881-1891 and as you and others have suggested his records got
lost somewhere in the system. The other possibility is he left home and was
working. Giving his age in 1891 would have been 15, if he survived he is
almost certain to have sought employment. Many people lived on shop or work
premises as a kind of human burglar alarm with some of these being missed
from the census. Other possibilities would be joining the military as a boy
sailor or soldier. If at sea or abroad again there would be no census

The only problem with that theory at the moment is I can find no trace of
him in later life.


-----Original Message-----
From: Judy Lester
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 1:10 PM
To: 'Michael Gilbey' ;
Cc: 'Jenny'
Subject: RE: [Ess] Death of Charles Valentine KNAPP

One source of the death information appears to be here

But the footnoted reference is puzzling.

In case it helps, the 1891 census reference appears to be
RG12/1370 folio 25 page 5


London, UK

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:] On Behalf Of Michael Gilbey

Can I clarify why you think Charles Knapp died 1881-1891? I have tried
tracing the family in the 1891 census but so far without success. What
appears to be the father died in 1890 but I can find none of the other
children or mother. This is allowing for potential spelling errors in

-----Original Message-----
From: Jenny

I would very much like to order the death certificate for Charles

Born: 14 Feb 1876; Great Ilford Essex
Parents: Arthur and Kate (Catherine FAIRES) KNAPP
1881 census: Living with family, 5 years old; street address Grove
Romford, Ilford.
Death:supposed death 1 Jan 1882, Great Ilford aged 6 years

...however I don't seem to be able to find it even when I put in +&-,
some one please double check me incase I have done something wrong.

Many thanks

In hope.....Jenny

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