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From: "Paulette Flint" <>
Subject: Re: [Ess] John Cornell GRAY, born 1823 Great Sampford,in 1851 and 1861.
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 22:29:42 +1000
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Hi Adrian

In the War Office WO97 records from the National Archives (WO97 / 1637 /
181), I have found a John Gray (a carpenter) born about 1824 in Old Samford
Essex, discharge from the Army 85th foot after 21 years of service. He
served overseas in Mauritius 3 yrs and Cape of Good Hope 5 3/12 yrs. He
enlisted into the 60th regiment in September 1843, then was changed to the
85th regiment in 1845.

My own 2 greats grandfather was in the 85th foot. He was born in 1820. The
regiment was in West Indies in 1843, Ireland from 1846, My 2 gg was in
Fulbrook Barracks Lancs in 1851 census, Mauritius in 1853, and was
discharged in 1854.

The 85th foot went to the Cape of Good Hope after Mauritius.

My 2ggrandfather used to always describe himself as a "Pensioner" as did his
father (my 3gg), who was in and out of Chelsea Hospital.
My 2gg came to Australia as a guard for convicts in Western Australia.

This could be 'your' John Gray.

Regards
Paulette Flint



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-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Gray [mailto:]
Sent: Monday, 7 February 2011 4:35 AM
To:
Subject: [Ess] John Cornell GRAY, born 1823 Great Sampford, in 1851 and
1861.

Could someone with an Ancestry/FMP sub check the 1851 and 1861 census for
the above fellow, please?

I'm just checking my Local Historian article prior to publication, and
removing the ballcocks I wrote having conflated him with another John born
circa 1827 at Gt Sampford! I'm 99% certain that I've checked the census
exhaustively to find him in the past, but if someone could check and confirm
that I'd be very grateful. I've got him in 1841, and he's living in a shed
in Gt Sampford in 1871 (described as a pensioner, so he may be "missing" in
the army overseas), and I have his death in 1878 - drowned in a pond,
knowing my family lost on the way home from the pub! I just need a
confirmation that he really is not findable before I write any more
cobblers.

He is very definitely NOT the John Gray keeping an inn in Sawbridgeworth,
who I muddled him with.

Thank you very much,

Adrian





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