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From: "JFHH" <>
Subject: Re: [Ess] ESSEX RECORD OFFICE
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:02:10 +0100
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Hi Chris,
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris N French" <>
> Interesting, but I am not sure that it follows that anyone at ERO
> knows which "numbered" pages in a parish register are now on which
> image. And - of course - someone still has to type this information
> into the system somewhere and arrange that it then be displayed
> online and this would clearly take up significant staff time.

Looking again at the description of the Maldon one I quoted, I am not sure it is necessary for any
of the staff at the ERO to know which pages are on which image.
"Scope and Content Indexes of BAPTISMS 1695-1841, MARRIAGES 1754-1836
(at end reversed), and BURIALS 1750-1838. Shows full names and page
references to original registers. Each register is indexed separately,
with names shown in their original order within each letter of the
alphabet. Originals Location For original registers see D/P 201/1/2,
4-7, 11 (BAPTISMS), D/P 201/1/9-10, 13 (MARRIAGES), and D/P 201/1/5,
8, 10, 12 (BURIALS). Date From1813 Date To1850"
If this particular record were digitized and uploaded, it would be simpler for me to search this for
all references to a particular name, and then go to the appropriate register and find the right
page, than to "turn" the pages of the register searching for a name, which means waiting for each
page image in turn to download and open. Even at 5mb/s this is quite a time-consuming process: I
shussder to think of the time for those on dial-up.

Regards
John.




>
> I have done early Felsted as far as 1700 for my own use. This was
> easy because in the main the images were fairly readable, but it took
> time as there were 90 to examine.
>
> A simple index for the early Felsted registers might be as follows
> with a row for each image of the the ERO reference followed by the
> event (here c or christenings, m for marriages and b for burials) and
> the date range. I have abbreviated my own index here, of course.
>
> FELSTED
> ...
> D/P 99/1/1 01 c: 1558-1560
> D/P 99/1/1 02 c: 1560-1564
> ...
> D/P 99/1/1 26 c: 1623-1629
> D/P 99/1/1 27 c: 1629-1629 m:1558-1562
> D/P 99/1/1 28 m: 1562-1573
> ...
> D/P 99/1/1 38 b: 1558-1559
> ...
> D/P 99/1/1 54 b: 1634-1636
>
> In fact on my spreadsheet I reserve columns for the ERO reference,
> image number, c-begin, c-end, m-begin m-end, b-begin and b-end. In
> some parish regosters you will - of course - find c, m & b events on
> the same pages/images ... along with banns ... and births!
>
> Felsted was easy but some parishes are muddled even including dates
> from centuries later.
>
> Best wishes
> Chris
> ==============
>
> On 27 Jun 2009 at 14:02, JFHH wrote:
>
>> Hi again Chris,
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris N French"
>> <>> On 27 Jun 2009 at 11:44, >JFHH wrote:
>> >> Looking at the images of parish registers available, those I have
>> seen >> have references to various indexes. Perhaps Essex Records
>> Office could >> consider uploading images of the indexes which do
>> exist? > > I had previously emailed the ERO and they don't actually
>> have proper > indexes pointing to each image. They expalined the
>> references you > referred to as follows: > > On 26 Jun 2009 ERO
>> wrote: > >> The statement about indexes which appears on some
>> catalogue entries >> relates to indexes of the test in the catalogues
>> not direct indexing >> from the volumes. As Seax searches the text of
>> both catalogue entries >> and indexes added by archivists, we have to
>> have some means of >> displaying index entries so that people viewing
>> an entry can see why >> this entry has appeared. For example, we may
>> have a pauper's inventory >> included in another document and used the
>> subject index term Poor. If >> you searched for the parish name and
>> poor this entry would appear, but >> there would be no obvious reason
>> why it should be displayed as poor >> does not appear in the text.
>> Thus we added the display of index terms >> to solve confusion
>> experienced by some members of the public. > > I too had been a little
>> confused.> > Best wishes> Chris
>>
>> I'm not to sure about ERO's reply to you:
>> "The statement about indexes which appears on some catalogue entries
>> relates to indexes of the test in the catalogues not direct indexing
>> from the volumes."
>>
>> Rurning up the Image entry for Maldon, for example reveals:
>> D/P 201/1/6
>> Baptism register
>> Repository:Essex Record Office
>> Level: Category Parish Records
>> Level: Fonds MALDON, All Saints and St Peter
>> Level: Sub-Fonds INCUMBENT
>> Level: Series Service of Church: Registers of BAPTISMS, MARRIAGES and
>> BURIALS Level: Item Baptism register Level: Item Reference Code D/P
>> 201/1/6 Dates of Creation 1778-1792 Extent 1 volume Title[Baptism
>> register] Access Not to be produced: use digital images available on
>> SEAX. Related Description For index see D/P 201/1/14. Date From
>> 1778 Date To 1792
>>
>> [It's a pity the name of the church is not included in the search
>> results]
>>
>> Turning to D/P 201/1/14
>> the catalogue reveals
>> D/P 201/1/14
>> Indexes to parish registers
>> Repository:Essex Record Office
>> Level: Category Parish Records
>> Level: Fonds MALDON, All Saints and St Peter
>> Level: Sub-Fonds INCUMBENT
>> Level: Series Service of Church
>> Level: Item Indexes to parish registers
>> Level:
>> Item
>> Reference Code D/P 201/1/14
>> Dates of Creation Post 1813
>> Extent 1 volume
>> Title [Indexes to parish registers]
>> Scope and Content Indexes of BAPTISMS 1695-1841, MARRIAGES 1754-1836
>> (at end reversed), and BURIALS 1750-1838. Shows full names and page
>> references to original registers. Each register is indexed separately,
>> with names shown in their original order within each letter of the
>> alphabet. Originals Location For original registers see D/P 201/1/2,
>> 4-7, 11 (BAPTISMS), D/P 201/1/9-10, 13 (MARRIAGES), and D/P 201/1/5,
>> 8, 10, 12 (BURIALS). Date From1813 Date To1850
>>
>> ----
>> Which implies a hard copy Index created between 1813-1859, and this is
>> the sirt of index I wiould envision as being most helpful is it could
>> be uploaded to images.
>>
>> Regards
>> John
>>
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