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From: "Terry Dipple" <>
Subject: Re: [Ess] ESSEX On- Line Parish Clerks site
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:12:41 -0400
References: <4A31334C.30208@stoneyburn.ca><0D7EE26DEEAD403994981CCFB2210FCE@Eldeworth>
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To all - I belong to HEF, WOR, GLA, MM, POW, NFK Rootsweb sites. This is by
far the most boring county. Can't you talk about something else!!!!!!!!!
Regards - Terry

-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:]
On Behalf Of La Greenall
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:49 PM
To: 'Jshep';
Subject: Re: [Ess] ESSEX On- Line Parish Clerks site

Looking again at one of the pages Mike specified, whilst using a
non-maximised browser window, has been very revealing!

Mike - this is a bit more accurate than the version I sent you directly
a few mins ago.

Before we continue, apols in advance for being 100% technical and 0%
genealogical. Let's hope Elmo's in a good mood!

Go again to:

http://essex-opc.org.uk/index.php?id=5

Below the banner heading are two main elements, a menu bar and a block
of text headed "A sure coffer - Transcription Database." In a browser
window which is 1000 pixels or more wide, these appear next to each
other. This is because the menu (or sidebar) width has been set at 200
pixels and the text at 800 pixels.

Below them is a footer which includes an orange bar.

If you shrink the browser window so that it is just too narrow to show
them side by side, the main block of text will jump down the page so
that its top edge is below the bottom edge of the menu bar. This will
allow it to move to the left a bit, sliding under the menu bar whilst
its right-hand edge stays with the right-hand edge of the browser
window. The end result is that both elements are still viewable in a
smaller browser window. The compromise of course is that there's now a
large area of white space filler to the right of the menu bar.

If you now shrink the browser window a bit more, a horizontal scroll bar
will appear at the bottom, which is caused by the right-hand edge of the
banner heading at the top of the page (and also the orange bar at the
bottom) being forced beyond the right-hand edge of the browser window.
You will note that the left-hand edge of the banner and orange bar
remain aligned with the left-hand edge of the browser window. In other
words, the opposite of what the text block does. The scrollbar allows
you to move either end of the banner into view, though as the text is
narrower than the banner it remains fully in view so long as the scroll
bar is slid over to the left and the browser window hasn't been shrunk
too much. So far so good.

Now here's the crux of the issue - I think this is what Mike must have
been experiencing. if you shrink the browser window too much, which
means narrower than the main block of text alone (i.e. narrower than 800
pixels), the left-hand edge of the text will be forced behind the
left-hand edge of the browser window, and will remain there no matter
what you do with the horizontal scroll bar. In fact if you try to use
the scroll bar to see the hidden text, you'll probably end up scrolling
more of the text out of your browser's window!

The issue therefore is with the design of this page; the scrollbar needs
to relate to the block of text, not to the banner heading. Or better
still, each should have its own dedicated scrollbar.

If the page layout uses tables, then the cell that holds the block of
text should have a variable width that will produce its own dedicated
scroll bar when needed. Another way to achieve this might be to use an
inline form to access the block of text instead.

I can see where possible confusion might have arisen, for - as I
observed above - the menu bar and text block add up to 1000 pixels wide,
which is exactly the same as the width of the banner heading (240 pixels
for the red logo area and 760 pixels for the rows of links and
thumbnails). In other words, in theory neither should disappear more
than the other as they're both the same width. The difference is that
the two elements of the banner heading are fixed together whilst the two
elements of the lower page (menu bar and text block) are independent of
each other and can split if the browser tells them to. When this
happens, the left-hand edge of the text block should go no further than
the left-hand edge of the banner; when pushed beyond this another scroll
bar should appear to give access to its hidden bits.

I haven't looked at the other page to see if the issue is similar or
not; I leave that to you, Jim!

Hope this helps,

Lawrence

-----Original Message-----
From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of Jshep
Sent: 11 June 2009 17:40
To:
Subject: [Ess] ESSEX On- Line Parish Clerks site


Mike

The Essex On- Line Parish Clerks site has been designed with Firefox as
a principal browser (my choice as webmaster) so whatever you are seeing
is not a Firefox problem. If I understand your question correctly it is

simply a case of a different underlying template being used for the
database pages. I chose to do this to allow a database menu column on
the left and sufficient space on the right to display the data tables.

Jim Sheppard
--
Ottawa, ON. Canada
Webmaster Essex OPC Project http://essex-opc.org.uk/
In Search of Our Family Heritage: http://www.stoneyburn.ca/
Cornwall OPC Antony/Torpoint: http://www.secornwallopc.stoneyburn.ca
Coordinator Somerset OPC Project: -/ don't just visit join us/-
http://www.wsom-opc.org.uk/
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