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From: Roger Partridge <>
Subject: Re: [Ess] TITMUS/TITMAS - Nazeing
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:32:10 +0100
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Hi, Charles, Jean & Listers !
Re the Question 3 that you ask below - wasn't the occupation of
'Navigator' that you mention actually the full version of the word
that gradually got shortened to 'Navvy' - that is somebody who
originally dug canals, but later became involved in all the hard
manual labour digging jobs such as building railways ?
The dates mentioned below would fit in nicely with the great
period of railway building surely ?
Best Wishes ! Roger.
On 24 Jun 2008, at 01:54, Charles Fuller wrote:
> I have four questions for you:
> 1. When you looked at the 1841 census, did you use Ancestry or
> Origins/FindMyPast? The reason I ask is because I've found that the
> quality of the indexing done by Origins (and mirrored to
> FindMyPast) is
> far superior to what's available on Ancestry. [I have no connection
> any of these organisations, I've simply performed quite a few
> 2. Have you found all of the baptisms of the children of Charles and
> 3. The occupation "Navigator" is not one I've come across before. This
> indicates that Charles was connected with boats/ships, probably on the
> River Thames. Have you looked at Royal Navy and similar records? For
> example, the records for the Coast Guard might be worth checking.
> 4. Following on from (3), have you looked for the other family in the
> same house/property - Thomas and Elizabeth Watkinson? It's a distinct
> possibility that there's a familial and/or trade relationship since he
> too described himself as a "Navigator".
> Charles Fuller.
> Jean Skilling wrote:
>> I wonder whether anyone can assist me in establishing whether my
>> gt gt
>> grandfather was a member of the TITMAS family who were licensed
>> at Nazeing?
>> This is what I know:-
>> 1.My gt gt grandfather Charles TITMUS died in Islington in 1850
>> aged only
>> 39, leaving a pregnant widow and 7 children aged 2-16. My great
>> George Thomas TITMUS was the 2 year old. The informant on his death
>> certificate was Louisa Titmus of Rose Cottage, East Street,
>> Islington -
>> present at death.
>> 2.The 1841 census for Islington shows Charles TITMUS aged 30 a
>> not born in County.
>> 3.The IGI has the marriage of Joseph TETMUS to Loy PARKER in 1808
>> at St
>> Leonard’s Shoreditch. The marriage register says that he was from
>> Witnesses were Ann HUNT and George LIMMING. Incidentally "Loy" is
>> written as
>> Lo with a fancy curl - could this be an abbreviation of Louisa?
>> 4.In the Nazeing parish registers there are the baptisms of 2
>> children of
>> Joseph and Louisa TITMUS - Charles in 1811 (who I hope is my
>> ancestor) and
>> Mary Ann in 1813
>> 5.In Ware, Hertfordshire a Joseph and Louisa TITMUS baptised
>> Joseph in 1810
>> (buried 1828 in Nazeing aged 19) and Anna Maria 1819 (Abode in PR was
>> 6.In the Islington census for 1841 the “best fit” is a Louisa
>> TITMUS a
>> Charwoman of King Street, Islington, Middlesex (Born in county).
>> In Pancras
>> Thomas and George TITMAS are apprentice shoe makers - I believe
>> that these
>> are sons of Louisa (see below).
>> 7.In the 1851 census Louisa TITMUS born in Roydon, Essex is at 11
>> Square, Finsbury, Middlesex with son George, a shoe maker, born 1823
>> Islington and his family. When George married Sarah COOPER at St
>> Pancras in
>> 1843 George named his father as Joseph TITMUS (deceased)
>> 8.I can’t find Louisa in the 1861 census but in 1871 a Louisa
>> TITMUS born
>> c1788 in Epping is a Pauper lodging with the Birch family in
>> 9.Louisa died in 1872 at 54 Bingfield Street, Islington the home
>> of her son
>> Thomas TITMUS, a shoe maker born 1825 in Islington
>> I would welcome any thoughts on how I could prove (or otherwise)
>> that the
>> Charles baptised in 1811 in Nazeing was my ancestor
>> Thanks for reading this.
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