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From: "Steven Bird" <>
Subject: Where are the original "oaths of conformity" for ship "Elizabeth and Ann" 1635?
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:07:24 -0500
I am trying to locate copies of the original documents (which I assume are
oaths of conformity) that Hotten and Banks used for their compilations of
the passenger lists of the "Elizabeth and Anne," which sailed from London on
or after 14 May 1635. Sailing almost contemporaneously was the "Susan and
Ellen" on or after 9 May 1635. The (compiled) passenger manifests of these
two ships appear to be closely interrelated.
As part of this "manifest," Hotten (ed. Camden) in "Emigrant Ancestors"
lists the family and servants(?) of Thomas LORD, who married Dorothy BIRD.
One very intriguing entry in this list is that of "Tho. POND, age 21," who
follows James Cobbett (23) and Joseph Faberr (26). This name is missing
from the list of names compiled by Banks, although Banks does include a
Josias Cobbett which did not appear in Hotten.
Later in the same list, Hotten/Camden list "John BIRDEN," who actually turns
out to be John BORDEN. I wonder therefore if "Tho. POND" may actually be a
misreading of Thomas BIRD. I have found no further record of a "Thomas
Such a misreading may have occurred and could be profoundly important to
establishing the origins of Thomas Bird of Hartford, CT. It has been
suggested by many that there was a family link between Dorothy Bird (the
wife of Thomas Lord) and Thomas Bird, both of Hartford, CT. Such a link
would certainly be strengthened by a document showing their immigration to
New England in a single party.
Several questions and observations present themselves:
Why does the revised (Camden) Hotten list (as found on
www.mayflowerfamilies.com) list "Tho. Pond" in the middle of the Lord family
and party, while Banks does not?
If Thomas Pond was actually Thomas Bird, then perhaps the presence of James
Cobbett and Joseph Faber may explain the sudden appearance of those two
names in the Bird family tree?
If Thomas Pond is actually Thomas Bird, then a solid (if circumstantial)
link is provided to Dorothy Bird. This, along with other, indirect, links
found in the colonial records of Connecticut could provide a substantial
case for this identification.
Does anyone know where I might be able to locate or obtain facsimile copies
of the original documents that Hotten and Banks based their work upon? I
assume they must be in England. They are likely to be extant; Banks' work
was completed during the 20th century (1930).
Thanks in advance for any help.
Steven Bird, DMA
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