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From: "Caroline" <>
Subject: Re: [Ess] Re: CHRISTIE - 1861 Boarding school, Harlow
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 15:15:55 +0100
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Colleen

I have found a reference to the Chantry House in Joyce Jones' 'Seedtime and
Harvest'. She says that 'Mr and Mrs Josolyne directed the Chantry House
Academy in Churchgate Street, a fee-paying school for young gentlemen, from
1780 until their deaths in 1820'

Caroline

----- Original Message -----
From: "Colleen" <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 2:10 PM
Subject: [Ess] Re: CHRISTIE - 1861 Boarding school, Harlow


> Well done for finding the 1840 reference and the one to the name change
> for St Marys. That explains a lot.
>
> The Church of England school built on Loftus Arkwright's land would
> presumably have been a precursor of the current, modern, Churchgate C of E
> school which lies next door to the Churchgate Hotel. Maybe the original
> building was demolished and rebuilt or modernised and became the modern C
> of E school here now. Or, lessons might have been held in another building
> prior to the modern building being constructed. The Churchgate Hotel was
> originally the Jacobean Chantry - the Chantry Priest's house.
> Interestingly, I have seen a reference to the Chantry Priest taking
> lessons in the Chantry, a substantial old house - which could quite easily
> have taken boarders. I don't know when or how long this practice applied
> though.
>
> Alice also told me that Lady FitzWilliam, one of the local 20th century
> aristos of Churchgate Street had pupils taught in her house, the one on
> the corner with the Union Jack flying as you enter Churchgate Street from
> the Waylate or Gilden Way. I imagine these would have been children of
> well to do people, doubt if she would have allowed farmworkers' children
> to traipse around her house. That house was also at one stage the old
> vicarge , so there may well have been an earlier tradition of tuition
> there goigback as far as Janice's ancestors' time here and beyond. The
> house had substantial entailed land holdings and possiby other buildings
> too.
>
> Colleen
>
> Yes, please, Caroline, I would be grateful for a loan of your book.
>
> Colleen
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Caroline" <>
>> Another bit from Kelly's Directory (1914?) - schools:
>>
>> St. Mary's College, established about 1840, at a cost of about £13,000,
>> has an endowment by the Rev. E.C.Taunton, late vicar of St. John's, for
>> the education of singing boys for the church of St. John's....
>>
>> Churchgate, built in 1850 for 357 children .....
>>
>> Church of England (mixed) erected in 1912 for 156 children at a cost of
>> £500 on a site given by L.W. Arkwright esq. .....
>>
>> Caroline
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Caroline" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 11:03 AM
>> Subject: [Ess] Re: CHRISTIE - 1861 Boarding school, Harlow
>>
>>
>>> Colleen
>>>
>>> I have just found a snippet of information - but how accurate it is I
>>> don't know (it is from the booklet 'The Way We Worked' from the Old
>>> Harlow Memories Group - do you have it ?). It says -
>>>
>>> 'St. Mary's College was opened in 1862 as a boarding school for boys,
>>> although it did also take day pupiles later on. It was closed in 1964
>>> and the building demolished in 1965. The site is now occupied by
>>> Jocelyns'.
>>>
>>> The woman who wrote this worked in the kitchens there in the 1930's.
>>>
>>> Caroline
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Colleen" <>
>>> To: "Caroline" <>; <>
>>> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 6:32 PM
>>> Subject: Re: CHRISTIE - 1861 Boarding school, Harlow
>>>
>>>
>>>> Just seen this, well done for realising the school isn't old enough
>>>> before I did, Caroline. I was thrown by the building, which is much
>>>> older than the school, and my assumption that the school had been in
>>>> that location for centuries. That'll teach me to make assumptions!
>>>>
>>>> Re: not having boarders, I think it may have had them in the past, I
>>>> used to live opposite the former head master some years ago and I'm
>>>> sure he mentioned going in at weekends to sort out the boarders -
>>>> though he may have meant flower 'borders' I suppose :-)
>>>>
>>>> Colleen
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Caroline" <>
>>>>
>>>>> I might be wrong !! - but I don't think that St. Nicholas' has been
>>>>> around that long - certainly not in it's current location. It isn't a
>>>>> boarding school, just a private day school.
>>>>>
>>>>> Caroline
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Colleen" <>
>>>>> To: <>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:33 PM
>>>>> Subject: [Ess] CHRISTIE - 1861 Boarding school, Harlow
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I think you're In luck, Janice. All of my Harlow censuses are out on
>>>>>>loan at present, so I tried a search on Ancestry 's 1861 census for
>>>>>>Harlow and up popped your Edward TH Christie, born in Woolwich, still
>>>>>>at school in Harlow aged 17. What a coincidence too, since this school
>>>>>>is in Churchgate Street (the original, very old part of Harlow) and I
>>>>>>live less than a minute's walk from there. There are two old schools
>>>>>>on Churchgate Street of the period you're looking for - which I
>>>>>>negelcted to mention in my previous posting - can you believe I forgot
>>>>>>to tell you about schools so close to my cottage!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These are: Churchgate School - St Mary's now I remember where it
>>>>>> was! - and St Nicholas's. Here a bit of confusion sets in because I
>>>>>> don't believe that St Mary's was ever a boarding school yet St
>>>>>> Nicholas's was - and still is one. However, the location of the
>>>>>> school where your Edward Christie is a pupil in in 1861 appears to
>>>>>> have been the location of St Mary's, not St Nicholas's. I could
>>>>>> really do with my printed censuses for this as looking at the census
>>>>>> for village as a whole on Ancestry is awkward.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, it appears that the enumerator walks along Churchgate Street
>>>>>> (past the church on his left - lovely St Mary and St Hugh's, where
>>>>>> your ancestors would have worshipped) to the vicarage and Vicarage
>>>>>> Villas (still there) then on to St Mary's school which is next door -
>>>>>> a beautiful stone building with a great, high vaulted ceiling and
>>>>>> stunning arched windows carved from stone, just like those in the
>>>>>> church. If the enumerator went to St Nich's after Vicarage Villas, he
>>>>>> would have had gone in the opposite direction, I'm sure, and after
>>>>>> the villas would have enumerated several cottages and St Nicholas's
>>>>>> Lodge before reaching St Nich's school. Unless, that is, he walked
>>>>>> past the cottages in between to focus on St Nich's school. St
>>>>>> Nicholas's was and is a large school which includes a lot of
>>>>>> accomodation, so its possible the enumerator would have needed quite
>>>>>> a bit of time there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I imagine you'd like photos of both schools to be on the safe side? I
>>>>>> have some old ones of St Mary's and will take some current ones. Its
>>>>>> dark now and I have to sort out my things for a wedding I'm going to
>>>>>> tomorrow, so will contact you with photos after that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Colleen
>>>>>>
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