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From: "L A Greenall" <>
Subject: RE: Essex/ALLSUP/ALSOP family
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:45:31 -0000
In-Reply-To: <NFEBKNGJIFOEHGGFJODJCEOODBAA.eldeworth@ntlworld.com>


I thought I'd repost this as I don't remember seeing it and wonder if it
fell victim to the server issues.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: L A Greenall [mailto:]
> Sent: 04 November 2004 23:28
> To: ;
> Subject: RE: Essex/ALLSUP/ALSOP family
>
>
> Hi Cassie.
>
> Apologies for the late reply but I've been in Germany for a few
> days. Back now.
>
> Firstly you need to be certain of the placename. There is a
> Waltham Cross, but it is in Hertfordshire, right next to the
> county border with Essex. Inside the Essex border at this same
> point is the town of Waltham Abbey. Just to confuse things, the
> town of Waltham Abbey (along with a few hamlets) lies within the
> ecclesiastical parish of Waltham Holy Cross, and could easily be
> referred to in old docs as either Waltham Abbey or Waltham Holy
> Cross. The latter name could get shortened to Waltham Cross, but
> not by anyone with local enough knowledge to know of the town of
> that name in Herts, only about 1.5 miles from Waltham Abbey.
>
> But since Waltham Cross, Herts was part of the parish of
> Cheshunt, Herts until the mid 19th Century (when it was annexed
> into its own parish and the parish of Waltham Cross, Herts was
> first established) then I think it likely that your 18th Century
> reference must be to Waltham Holy Cross in Essex.
>
> Secondly, there are indeed burial registers covering the period
> in question, and Allsup is a local name too, but there is no
> easy-to-access index to this period. Modern indexes so far only
> cover burials from 1813 to 1878. This town's Victorian local
> historian (and Baptist minister) William Winters (1835-93) did
> index all the parish registers from their earliest records up to
> c.1800-1812, but this index only exists as a very
> difficult-to-read manuscript held at Essex Record Office. It is
> essentially a rough first (and only) draft, arranged by first
> letter only for blocks of years at a time, with many extra
> 'newly-discovered' surnames being squeezed into tiny corners of
> already-full pages of names beginning with the same letter. It
> has however been microfiched along with the ERO fiche of the
> parish registers themselves (ERO ref: D/P 75/1/* as Glynis says),
> so you should be able to purchase a copy of the set and, with a
> lot of effort, compare the index with the original entries.
> Waltham Abbey Hist Soc will be tidying up and extending this
> index, to as near to 1900 as possible, for publication, but this
> will not be completed in the foreseeable future.
>
> In 1885 Wm Winters published 'Our Parish Registers, being 300
> years of curious local history... of the parish of Waltham Holy
> Cross' but this is a selected gathering of interesting register
> entries, monumental inscriptions, and other bits and pieces he'd
> collected on local people, not by any means an exhaustive
> listing; it does mention a few Allsups of the mid 19th Century
> but none any earlier. I can send you these entries if you wish,
> for what they're worth.
>
> Lawrence
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cassie Thornley [mailto:]
> > Sent: 01 November 2004 19:35
> > To:
> > Subject: Essex/ALLSUP/ALSOP family
> >
> >
> > Hi all, It seems one of my ancestors came from Essex. Recently we
> > have turned up a William ALLSOP/ALLSUP christened in Waltham Cross in
> > 1755, and would like to clarify if he is 'ours'.
> >
> > Can anyone help with the following queries -
> >
> > 1. We need to know if this child survived childhood. Is there a
> > Burial Reg. for Waltham Cross please.
> >
> > 2. Does anyone have any ALSOP/ALLSUP etc. connections, we would like
> > to know something of the family background.
> >
> > Any help is very welcome, I am unfamiliar with Essex, most of the
> > other folk are in the West.
> >
> > regards to all, Cassie
> >

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