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From: "Lawrence Greenall" <>
Subject: RE: Stove Pipe hats - on farm workers
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:55:54 +0100
In-Reply-To: <003b01c4aa67$77e55c50$a8790650@packard>


It was Richard Arkwright I was thinking of Colleen. I had no idea he was
such a rogue! I'll have to get round to that long-promised visit to Harlow
Museum.

Cheers, Lawrence


> -----Original Message-----
> From: colleen morrison [mailto:]
> Sent: 05 October 2004 00:11
> To:
> Subject: Re: Stove Pipe hats - on farm workers
>
>
> The haymakers in the photo looked a bit too tanned and muscle bound to be
> gentlemen, so my guess is they really were farm workers who, as
> you say, are
> dressed up for the occasion.
>
> I'm not sure who the famous Quaker who lived at Mark Hall was. Can't have
> been one of the Arkwrights, can it? Their fortune was built on
> the back of
> exploiting child labour. One of the Wattlingtons or the Althams?
>
> Or are you thinking of the composer of hymns and poems who lived
> at Potter
> Street, Sarah Flower Adams? She was a Non Conformist, attended
> the Baptist
> Church at Potter Street, though she wasn't a Baptist. Apparently the poet
> Robert Browning used to visit her.
>
> Colleen
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lawrence Greenall" <>
>
> > Just a guess but could they have dressed up for the camera? As it was so
> > early, it must have been quite a thing to have your photo
> taken. Or maybe
> > some local gentry posed as haymakers - the lord of the manor might have
> > thought it odd to have his workers appearing in a very expensive
> > photograph!
> >
> > Maybe a google on stovepipe history might reveal hitherto unknown facts.
> >
> > And finally a very long shot - a lot of the early mechanical
> pioneers were
> > Quakers or of some other nonconformist persuasion - and we all know that
> > Essex was a hotbed of such dangerous thought back then! I'm sure one of
> > the
> > 'famous names' of this group lived at Mark Hall didn't they Colleen? I
> > forget who (someone shoot me quick) :@)
> >
> > Lawrence
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: colleen morrison [mailto:]
> >> Sent: 04 October 2004 20:03
> >> To:
> >> Subject: Stove Pipe hats - on farm workers
> >>
> >>
> >> I've just been looking at the Essex weather book and it has a
> >> gorgeous early photograph of haymakers wearing what appear to be
> >> the sort of stove pipe hats that Isambard Kingdom Brunel used to
> >> wear. Taken during the record breaking summer of 1858 - when
> >> grain was harvested in June because of the heatwave , apparently
> >> - this photo is, according to the book, one of the earliest
> >> photos taken in or around Colchester. Wonderful photo it is too.
> >>
> >> Sorry if I've asked this previously and have forgotten the reply
> >> (memory like a sieve, I have) but was this form of hat commonly
> >> worn by Essex farm labourers at that time - and why this
> >> particular style, do you think? Navvies used to wear these too,
> >> didn't they? Perhaps it was the 'uniform' of the manual worker.
> >> The hats don't appear to be very practical for farm work, or navvying.
> >>
> >> Colleen
> >>
> >>
> >
>


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