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From: "Irene R" <>
Subject: Re: The Irish/Spanish connection
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:11:45 +1000 (E. Australia Standard Time)
I too am just butting in. I seem to remember during my school years being
told that the Black Irish were descendants of some of the Spanish sailors
etc. who survived the Spanish Armada war with Sir Francis Drake et al who
fled up the east coast of England and down the west coast of Ireland and
were shipwrecked there.
All of my recent McHenry/Rath/Nolan lines had rather nondescript brown hair,
hazel or grey eyes, but my mother's brother, Uncle Syd had very olive skin
and really black hair. Maybe he was a throwback to those days.
From: Joan Rooney
Date: 09/28/04 09:28:40
Subject: The Irish/Spanish connection
I'm just butting in to add my two cents worth. I and many of my relatives
are Irish, English and Welsh, but have black hair and somewhat olive skin.
I've been told that the Western Irish are sometimes called the "dark Irish"
because centuries ago there was a lot of mingling with the blood of Spanish
sailors on the west coast of Ireland. When I was young I was once asked if
I was Spanish.(my eyes however are green-grey).
Just a thought,
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edwin and Cornelia Moore" <>
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: What a great list!
> I got a bit of a chuckle from your note, Lawrence, for though I am a
> American" I have yet to find any Native American blood lines-not to say
> there aren't any-I'm still trying to figure out why one of my lines, which
> is Irish or English in name (Collins/Peyton) has dark curley hair, hazel
> eyes and olive complexion, why one of the girls looks AmIndian and another
> Gypsy, and why they look so much like other Melungeon families. I think
> there might be Melungeon in that branch, but I'm still working on it, hope
> have money for my Christmas wish, a DNA test. but they aren't my English
> lines-that is, I haven't traced them to England. we just had a Peyton book
> published by the Peyton Society of Virginia but they don't know which line
> link up to, and the Collins line is still something of a mystery. stuck in
> Texas and Alabama, still.
> there's really good explainations online of what Melungeon's are, though
> there's some argument to it, still. Google the word and they'll tell you
> better than I can.
> Norton Antivirus protected
> researching in England-Suffolk, Essex, Surrey, Middlesex, Dorset and ???;
> Alston, Barrett, Barritt, Cross, Freeman, Gage, Harlock, Harris, Hawkins,
> Head, Hudd, Parker, Peckover, Pennington, Rayner, Richards, Seaman, Smith,
> also Atkinson, Aitken and Airey of Westmoreland
> interested in these individuals;
> Mr. Bland who m. Elizabeth Cross, Elizabeth Burnham, Mary Church, Samuel
> Clark who m. Sarah Cross, John Davis Cooper, Hannah Cork, Aubrey Cross,
> Jane Docwra, Elizabeth Griffiths, Charles Halifax, Mr. Holder who m.
> Katherine Cross, Mr. Nainby who m. Margaret Cross, John Head, Joseph
> who m. Jane Cross, Lavinia King, Mary and Martha Mayhew, Alfred Augustus
> Mayo, William Pettit, Hezekiah Richards, Martha Sewell, Rebecca Sidnell,
> Hannah Smith, Augustin Smyth, Annie Southan, Catherine Till/Tell, Fanny
> Watts, Margaret Willett, Mary Wilkenson, and a Mr. Smyth who m.
> Joan/Jane/Johanna _?_ abt 1670
> also Edmond Cross who died in 1641 in Framlingham, Suffolk,
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lawrence Greenall" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 1:05 PM
> Subject: RE: What a great list!
> > You're too kind Elysia!
> > But you're absolutely right as well - this is currently a super list.
> > also relatively new here (wasn't about in the Spring of '03 sob sob) but
> > is impressive how welcome the list makes you feel.
> > You say you're American, but does that necessarily mean that you have no
> > Essex ancestry? You never know - some siblings of distant German
> > of mine emigrated to the US in the 1920's, and one of them married a
> > the name of Slaughter (a Devon placename). Some of their descendants
> > currently live in Japan of all places!
> > Being British sometimes seems a bit of an anomaly - after all, what with
> > those Roman, Saxon, Norse, Dutch and Norman blood vessels rushing past
> > other in my veins there ain't a lot of room left for the Celtic ones!
> > Essex ancestry shoots off into completely unexpected directions every
> > and then, such as Hampshire, Edinburgh, Cumberland, and so on; having
> > ancestry is arguably as meaningless as being British!
> > So I dare say that even if you are a Native American there'll also be a
> > whole lot more to your ancestry than might at first be apparent.
> > Perhaps my favourite bit about this list is that it doesn't matter where
> > of us actually live; we're all able to contribute to the rich tapestry
> > threads being woven online. In a sense, this Essex list will never be
> > restricted to Essex - despite the best efforts of our moderator - it
> > instead *reflect* (in italics) Essex life, Essex family history, Essex
> > humour, Essex Co-ops and so on, across the world. Can't wait to see the
> > finished quilt cover!
> > Regards,
> > Lawrence, near the south-western edge of Essex.
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Lysi [mailto:]
> > > Sent: 27 September 2004 03:02
> > > To:
> > > Subject: What a great list!
> > >
> > >
> > > I have to tell you all what a great list this is. I belong to
> > > quite a few and I like all of them...but this one takes the cake!
> > > I'm mostly new to this list, so I'm sure I've missed some
> > > skirmishes, but so far I've listened to everyone give the most
> > > lovely reminisces of the area for several days now and not once
> > > has someone, including the list admin, jumped in to scold
> > > everyone, tsk tsk, to be quiet and stick to the topic of Essex
> > > genealogy, etc. etc.
> > >
> > > I, for one, have enjoyed it all immensely. "My" Essex ancestors
> > > aren't even mine, but my husband's, yet I've enjoyed hearing
> > > about all of it. I'm American, and I'm (fairly) young, so I get
> > > to learn about so many things pertaining to Essex history just by
> > > sitting here "listening." I enjoy how much everything has
> > > changed....yet, stayed the same. How different we all can be,
> > > yet....how similar. This is what I love about family history.
> > > Without the memories of real people attached, a place becomes
> > > just that....only another "place." I feel like I've been to
> > > Essex, even though I've only been able to get to London and Amesbury.
> > >
> > > Not only that, but the first time I joined the list I mentioned
> > > my surname interests and without even asking for anything I was
> > > immediately offered several look-ups! Being a person who does
> > > look-ups for others often, I realize the time this takes and
> > > appreciate it very much.
> > >
> > > Many thanks to all,
> > > Elysia
> > >