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From: "Phil O'Phax" <>
Subject: Re: English civil wars, was Re: Need Help.
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:59:04 +0000
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Hi all,

Are not historians like politicians, economists or lawyers?

You put three together and get three different views of the same situation?

Perhaps Sue's Miss Shaw was the same Miss Shaw that I had as a teacher?

Happy New Year, List.

Phil.

At 05:55 PM 12/30/2003, Susan Hembury-Kellow wrote:
>I stand corrected, but as I pointed out, I was recalling information from
>history lessons learnt a great many years ago <grin>. I did warn that it
>was a complex period politically, going so far as to advise those interested
>to do a Google search for more than the basic information contained in my
>posting.
>
>Sue
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Guy Etchells" <>
>To: "Susan Hembury-Kellow" <>
>Cc: <>
>Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 5:23 PM
>Subject: Re: English civil wars, was Re: Need Help.
>
>
> > It was hardly the King who fell out with Parliament but rather the
> > Commons who fell out with both the Lords and the King that sparked the
> > first of the English civil wars.
> > The first civil war lasted from 1642-1646 the second 1646-1649 ended
> > with the treasonous rump parliament (59 signed the King's death warrant
> > 143 members were refused access) and the death of the King.
> > In the dictatorship that followed there was no King and the Lords was
> > soon abolished as "usless and dangerous" and it was not until 1660 that
> > commonsense prevailed and Cromwellianism was swept away.
> > Cheers
> > Guy
> >
> > Susan Hembury-Kellow wrote:
> > > Hello Don,
> > >
> > > Okay, a little English history lesson (if I can summon up the things
>taught
> > > to me at school many, many years ago!!). (Miss Shaw would be so proud of
>me!
> > > <grin>)
> > >
> > > The English Civil War began in 1642 when King Charles the First of
>England
> > > fell out with Parliament. After numerous, bloody battles (such as
>Edgehill
> > > and Naseby) victory ultimately went to the Parliament forces (the
> > > Roundheads) and Charles (leader of the Cavaliers) was overthrown. King
> > > Charles the First was beheaded by the Parliamentarians in 1649.
> > > Oliver Cromwell, the Puritan leader, then took over as Lord Protector of
> > > England, and England became a Commonwealth until 1660 when King Charles
>the
> > > First's son, Charles the Second, returned to England to reclaim the
>throne
> > > for the House of Stuart. This period was known as The Restoration (ie,
>when
> > > the monarchy was restored after the collapse of the Commonwealth).
> > >
> > > I can't speak for your ancestors, but generally, I believe, there was no
> > > great need to change names and locations. There were other problems,
> > > though. When Cromwell took over in 1649, a lot of the Royalist
>supporters
> > > had land and property confiscated (as seems to have happened to one
>branch
> > > of my family) and it was given, instead, to Roundhead supporters. When
> > > Charles the Second ascended the throne, some land was, indeed, returned
>to
> > > its original owners, but not all (probably because he knew that this, in
> > > itself, might have provoked a further rebellion).
> > >
> > > It's quite a complex period of history, a time of changing allegiances,
>and
> > > changing laws - my suggestion would be to do a Google search under
>Cromwell
> > > Civil War - that may cast more light on the possibility of your family
> > > having moved for political reasons.
> > >
> > > A century later, there was another series of British uprisings - the
> > > Jacobite rebellions (1715 and 1745). These rebellions were mainly
> > > orchestrated in Scotland (with French aid) in an attempt to restore the
> > > Stuart dynasty to the thrones of England and Scotland. The turning
>point
> > > was the Battle of Culloden - the Jacobites lost. Again, a Google search
> > > will turn up far more than I would ever be able to recall...
> > >
> > > Hope this helps!
> > >
> > > Sue
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Don Levirs" <>
> > > To: <>
> > > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 4:56 PM
> > > Subject: Need Help.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>Hello List.
> > >> The Registorian of 1660 . Was this like a civial war in Britian. For it
> > >
> > > is said that one of my G,Great Grandfathers moved his family from Essex
>to
> > > Kent. I was wondering if this was done so maybe now one would reconize
>them.
> > >
> > >> Thank you,Don Levirs in Canada.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Wakefield, England
> > http://freespace.virgin.net/guy.etchells The site that gives you facts
> > not promises!
> >
> > http://www.archivecdbooks.org Where you find the answer
> > http://www.framland.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ Worldwide Cemetery Links,
> > Monumental Inscriptions, War Graves, etc.
> >
> >

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