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From: "Susan Hembury-Kellow" <>
Subject: Re: English civil wars, was Re: Need Help.
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 17:55:50 -0000
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I stand corrected, but as I pointed out, I was recalling information from
history lessons learnt a great many years ago <grin>. I did warn that it
was a complex period politically, going so far as to advise those interested
to do a Google search for more than the basic information contained in my
posting.

Sue

----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Etchells" <>
To: "Susan Hembury-Kellow" <>
Cc: <>
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: English civil wars, was Re: Need Help.


> It was hardly the King who fell out with Parliament but rather the
> Commons who fell out with both the Lords and the King that sparked the
> first of the English civil wars.
> The first civil war lasted from 1642-1646 the second 1646-1649 ended
> with the treasonous rump parliament (59 signed the King's death warrant
> 143 members were refused access) and the death of the King.
> In the dictatorship that followed there was no King and the Lords was
> soon abolished as "usless and dangerous" and it was not until 1660 that
> commonsense prevailed and Cromwellianism was swept away.
> Cheers
> Guy
>
> Susan Hembury-Kellow wrote:
> > Hello Don,
> >
> > Okay, a little English history lesson (if I can summon up the things
taught
> > to me at school many, many years ago!!). (Miss Shaw would be so proud of
me!
> > <grin>)
> >
> > The English Civil War began in 1642 when King Charles the First of
England
> > fell out with Parliament. After numerous, bloody battles (such as
Edgehill
> > and Naseby) victory ultimately went to the Parliament forces (the
> > Roundheads) and Charles (leader of the Cavaliers) was overthrown. King
> > Charles the First was beheaded by the Parliamentarians in 1649.
> > Oliver Cromwell, the Puritan leader, then took over as Lord Protector of
> > England, and England became a Commonwealth until 1660 when King Charles
the
> > First's son, Charles the Second, returned to England to reclaim the
throne
> > for the House of Stuart. This period was known as The Restoration (ie,
when
> > the monarchy was restored after the collapse of the Commonwealth).
> >
> > I can't speak for your ancestors, but generally, I believe, there was no
> > great need to change names and locations. There were other problems,
> > though. When Cromwell took over in 1649, a lot of the Royalist
supporters
> > had land and property confiscated (as seems to have happened to one
branch
> > of my family) and it was given, instead, to Roundhead supporters. When
> > Charles the Second ascended the throne, some land was, indeed, returned
to
> > its original owners, but not all (probably because he knew that this, in
> > itself, might have provoked a further rebellion).
> >
> > It's quite a complex period of history, a time of changing allegiances,
and
> > changing laws - my suggestion would be to do a Google search under
Cromwell
> > Civil War - that may cast more light on the possibility of your family
> > having moved for political reasons.
> >
> > A century later, there was another series of British uprisings - the
> > Jacobite rebellions (1715 and 1745). These rebellions were mainly
> > orchestrated in Scotland (with French aid) in an attempt to restore the
> > Stuart dynasty to the thrones of England and Scotland. The turning
point
> > was the Battle of Culloden - the Jacobites lost. Again, a Google search
> > will turn up far more than I would ever be able to recall...
> >
> > Hope this helps!
> >
> > Sue
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Don Levirs" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 4:56 PM
> > Subject: Need Help.
> >
> >
> >
> >>Hello List.
> >> The Registorian of 1660 . Was this like a civial war in Britian. For it
> >
> > is said that one of my G,Great Grandfathers moved his family from Essex
to
> > Kent. I was wondering if this was done so maybe now one would reconize
them.
> >
> >> Thank you,Don Levirs in Canada.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Wakefield, England
> http://freespace.virgin.net/guy.etchells The site that gives you facts
> not promises!
>
> http://www.archivecdbooks.org Where you find the answer
> http://www.framland.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ Worldwide Cemetery Links,
> Monumental Inscriptions, War Graves, etc.
>
>


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