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From: Guy Etchells <>
Subject: Re: English civil wars, was Re: Need Help.
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 17:23:05 +0000
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It was hardly the King who fell out with Parliament but rather the
Commons who fell out with both the Lords and the King that sparked the
first of the English civil wars.
The first civil war lasted from 1642-1646 the second 1646-1649 ended
with the treasonous rump parliament (59 signed the King's death warrant
143 members were refused access) and the death of the King.
In the dictatorship that followed there was no King and the Lords was
soon abolished as "usless and dangerous" and it was not until 1660 that
commonsense prevailed and Cromwellianism was swept away.

Susan Hembury-Kellow wrote:
> Hello Don,
> Okay, a little English history lesson (if I can summon up the things taught
> to me at school many, many years ago!!). (Miss Shaw would be so proud of me!
> <grin>)
> The English Civil War began in 1642 when King Charles the First of England
> fell out with Parliament. After numerous, bloody battles (such as Edgehill
> and Naseby) victory ultimately went to the Parliament forces (the
> Roundheads) and Charles (leader of the Cavaliers) was overthrown. King
> Charles the First was beheaded by the Parliamentarians in 1649.
> Oliver Cromwell, the Puritan leader, then took over as Lord Protector of
> England, and England became a Commonwealth until 1660 when King Charles the
> First's son, Charles the Second, returned to England to reclaim the throne
> for the House of Stuart. This period was known as The Restoration (ie, when
> the monarchy was restored after the collapse of the Commonwealth).
> I can't speak for your ancestors, but generally, I believe, there was no
> great need to change names and locations. There were other problems,
> though. When Cromwell took over in 1649, a lot of the Royalist supporters
> had land and property confiscated (as seems to have happened to one branch
> of my family) and it was given, instead, to Roundhead supporters. When
> Charles the Second ascended the throne, some land was, indeed, returned to
> its original owners, but not all (probably because he knew that this, in
> itself, might have provoked a further rebellion).
> It's quite a complex period of history, a time of changing allegiances, and
> changing laws - my suggestion would be to do a Google search under Cromwell
> Civil War - that may cast more light on the possibility of your family
> having moved for political reasons.
> A century later, there was another series of British uprisings - the
> Jacobite rebellions (1715 and 1745). These rebellions were mainly
> orchestrated in Scotland (with French aid) in an attempt to restore the
> Stuart dynasty to the thrones of England and Scotland. The turning point
> was the Battle of Culloden - the Jacobites lost. Again, a Google search
> will turn up far more than I would ever be able to recall...
> Hope this helps!
> Sue
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Levirs" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 4:56 PM
> Subject: Need Help.
>>Hello List.
>> The Registorian of 1660 . Was this like a civial war in Britian. For it
> is said that one of my G,Great Grandfathers moved his family from Essex to
> Kent. I was wondering if this was done so maybe now one would reconize them.
>> Thank you,Don Levirs in Canada.

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