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From: Frederick Feather <>
Subject: Mum might be right!
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:28:22 +0100
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Dear Pam,

I am sure that erudite historians (Mel Gibson?) will correct me but was
not "Robert the Bruce of Scotland" a Norman born in Writtle in Essex."


In message <000a01c24e1d$7ebb08c0$>, Pam Dale
<> writes
>Hi Lois and Listers
>I don't have any convicts in my ancestry. At least not that I know of, they
>all came out to Australia in the late 1800's. I feel a bit out of it. A lot
>of people here are quite proud of their convict ancestors. My
>brother-in-law always says he has one up on us because he has a convict
>I started this obsession when I retired and bought a computer. My father
>always said that we were descended from Anthony Ashley COOPER, Earl of
>Shaftsbury. There were supposed to have been some large estates that were
>to come to us but some old widower up and married a very young woman and
>thereby goes the estate. I have not found evidence of that yet. Someone
>had done some research about 50-60 years ago and I have come into possession
>of some of the info which I have been steadily checking. We certainly
>aren't descended from the seventh earl who was involved in the Industrial
>Revolution. My Mum claims to be descended from Robert the Bruce of
>Scotland. I rather suspect that these family stories are handed down and
>maybe enlarged as time goes by.
>It is certainly a very interesting hobby and takes up far too much of my
>Pam in sunny Brisbane Australia
>Researching COOPER, BARRELL (Essex, Suffolk, and Middlesex), BAKER, HULLY,
>---- Original Message -----
>From: Lois and Bruce Walker <>
>To: <>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 9:30 AM
>Subject: RE: It would be interest me to learn why
>> Hi Listers
>> I hope that you aren't tired of this thread by now, but as my reason
>> differs from others I have already seen, I thought that I would add my
>> reason for researching the family tree.
>> Even when I was a child I heard stories that my great grandfather was
>> transported to Western Australia, but even so family members would deny
>> outright that he was a convict. Others would say that he came to Western
>> Australia before he was given the one-way ticket. And there were all sorts
>> of reasons for him changing his name!
>> My mother always called me a 'sticky-beak' so what else could I do but
>> research the family? And found three convicts! My great grandfather was
>> born in Bures Hamlet, spent several years in West Bergholt, and did some
>> 'work' in London which is where he was when convicted. He married the
>> daughter of another convict. They came from Devon in 1858. Another
>> of this convict also married a convict - the social scale was well and
>> truly alive.
>> Anyway, I have answered some questions but not all, and I 'think' that
>> relatives accept that great grandfather was a convict. Not many of the
>> older generation left now and those of us of the 'younger' generation
>> it very fascinating. For those of you not in Australia, it has almost
>> become a 'must have' to be descended from a convict.
>> Lois
>> ______________________________

Frederick Feather

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