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From: "sarah.fegredo" <>
Subject: Re: Re: TWICE in the 1881 census?
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:16:31 +0100
I had a similar situation which initially appeared to be one man called
Albin Gray, living in a very small village in Wiltshire, but with two
separate families - I suspected some naughtiness on his part, since one of
the families did not initally appear to produce any records to suggest that
Albin was married to a woman named Patience Love (!) It also appeared that
for some reason their "Love child" John Windsor Love, for whom I had
baptismal racord, was rebaptised the following year as John Windsor Gray.
As my researches continued I became more and more confused about what was
going on. I then got hold of a census record which clearly showed that
there were two Albin Gray households, with two quite distinct sets of
children living about half a mile apart in a village with only about 2-300
houses in it! I can't as yet establish any kind of relationship between the
two men but I suspect that there must be one - but how bizarre that two sets
of Gray parents, or at least the second set should name their son the
unusual name of Albin within a couple of years of each other, wihtout
thinking that it might cause confusion in such a small place! It gets
difficult to figure out the relationship because all the other Gray men in
the village at that time (1802-1807) who might be the fathers of the Albins
are called John or William! I also started to fill in the gaps in the
records with a marriage cert. for Patience which showed that JOhn had been
born before the marriage and rebaptised after the marriege, but that the
family lived together and had more children. I think it goes to show that
our ancestors and their records can be very complicated
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: TWICE in the 1881 census?
> I also appreciate people's doubts, and would be delighted if anyone comes
> up with a second George Aylett born in or close to Mountnessing around
> My appearing-twice hypothesis was based on the 1851 census index for
> Mountnessing, a marriage certificate for my George, a GRO burial and an
> PR transcript as well as the 1881 data. I totally agree that just because
> two people have the same name and age and village of birth doesn't mean
> they are the same person.
> >I appreciate the doubts that others might have. However, if someone
> >verify for me that there are TWO different people by the name of CORNELL
> >FFITCH, both aged 24, both born in Warley, one living in East Street,
> >Barking with mother, and the other in Hart Street, Barking with wife, I
> >should very much appreciate it. I have not been able to find a second
> >anywhere else, and would love to know if there are two people.
> >Helen, West Sussex, UK
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Steven Reeve" <>
> >To: <>
> >Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 4:08 PM
> >Subject: RE: TWICE in the 1881 census?
> >> I would echo Noel's doubts.
> >> I have the name James CAPON appearing twice in the 1881 Census and in
> >> same household (!!!).
> >> Both James CAPONs were born in the same village and the ages were only
> >> year apart.
> >> I originally thought that either the Census enumerator had made a
> >> and listed the same person twice or that the transcription was in error
> >> the same reason. I only knew of one James CAPON at that time, my 2 x
> >> great-grandfather.
> >> However, upon further investigation into the family tree and
> >> from the original census records I discovered that the Census
> >> got it right.
> >> The two James CAPONs were different individuals and were (as Noel
> >> cousins being the (illegitimate) sons of sisters.
> >> Regards,
> >> Steven Reeve, Norfolk, England
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