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From: "Josephine Kemper" <>
Subject: Re: 1901 census transcription OUR RIGHTS
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 19:54:12 -0000
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That is correct, for instance Edward Elgar died in 1934 and the copyright of
his unfinished 3rd Symphony runs out in 2005, 70 years later. It has been
completed by Tony Payne (with permission from Elgar's family) and played all
over the world to great acclaim.
Copyright laws doesn't deter a well known plagiarist from nicking classical
music themes before the copyright runs out and writing them into his
musicals. Money talks......

Josi

----- Original Message -----
From: June Wayland <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: 1901 census transcription OUR RIGHTS


> This doesn't apply to everything. It depends upon how the copywright was
> set up in the first place. For example, with music in the UK, copywright
is
> usually for the lifetime of the artist/writer unless something different
had
> been arranged because sometimes it continues after their death. It's a
very
> sticky area. The 1901 census will follow a different pattern of course.
> June :-)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JEANETTE SHERMER" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 8:42 AM
> Subject: Re: 1901 census transcription OUR RIGHTS
>
>
> > Copy Right comes off after 25 years.
> > That why some companies use 1950's pop music for their advertising on
t.v.
> > becaise thay can use it for free as long as it is over 25 years old,
> > the same with any thing that is pattent.
> > Jeanette
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Malcolm Hills <>
> > To: JEANETTE SHERMER <>;
> > <>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 12:44 PM
> > Subject: RE: 1901 census transcription OUR RIGHTS
> >
> >
> > > I would agree with what Jeannette says regarding copyright - as
> > > long as you don't publish a direct copy of their pages the
> > > information contained within the census is not copyrighted - the
> > > form it is provided in may be - but the data itself is not - so
> > > if you transcribe it yourself and republish in a different form
> > > and in particular provide add-on benefits to the data such as
> > > searches, indexes etc you should not be breaching copyright.
> > >
> > > Difficult to say whether or not the PRO can charge you to look at
> > > it - they are entitled to recover costs in providing the
> > > information should they wish - i.e. the costs of the media etc.
> > > Remember Libraries "buy" all of their books and authors and
> > > publishers are paid based on library copies read. That said, the
> > > information in the census is not copyrighted and can be
> > > transcribed and republished - and yes, you could sell that on if
> > > you wished. In many aspects of UK law, it makes no difference
> > > whether or not the product in question is sold, or given away -
> > > the principal remains the same - i.e. in food law - it is an
> > > offence to sell food beyond it's "use by" date, it is also an
> > > offence to give it away beyond it's "use by" date - many
> > > charities get caught up in this problem.
> > >
> > > Malcolm Hills
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> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: JEANETTE SHERMER [mailto:]
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 9:38 AM
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: 1901 census transcription OUR RIGHTS
> > >
> > >
> > > I think you will find that all the information on the 1901 census
> > > is "Public
> > > Information / Knowledge" and the PRO cant charge for us to look
> > > at it, If
> > > you look at it on the web then the PRO can charge for the work
> > > they have
> > > done putting it on the web. If we go to a Public Record office
> > > and look it
> > > up then there is no charge
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

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