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From: "Graham King" <>
Subject: RE: [EoLFHS] Cockney pronunciation
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:57:41 -0000
In-Reply-To: <002901c3c407$6789b8c0$c298fea9@jimhag>


Sorry Pauline, as a Cockney I don't agree! You're dead right about the "th"
sound and I really like the examples. I'm of the opinion that if the "f"
sound follows a terminal vowel, such as the "a" in Amelia, then the
following consonant would tend to get "swallowed" or de-emphasised. I'm not
saying that the "f" sound wouldn't be there at all, simply that it would
become quite indistinct, so that an enumerator, working totally orally might
not transcribe it correctly.

However ... the debate is quite lively and hopefully it has given Beverly
some food for thought! Long way from the way they talk in Maryland eh?

A merry Chris'mas an' annappy New Year to awlEas' London listers.

Graham King


-----Original Message-----
From: James Haggerty [mailto:]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 7:04 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [EoLFHS] Cockney pronunciation

Sorry Graham, as a cockney I dont agree. Its our 'th' that isn't distinct,
in fact we would replace it with 'f'
fanks - thanks, free - three].
I would pronounce the surname 'Fern'

Pauline.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham King" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:27 AM
Subject: RE: [EoLFHS] Cockney pronunciation


> The most likely pronunciation would drop the "a" at the beginning. Yes so
> Milly is a good one, also Meela, Melia maybe even Molly. No real variants
> on the surname as far as pronunciation goes, except that Cockneys do odd
> things with consonants and so the "F" wouldn't be very distinct. The name
> might have been enumerated or recorded as Vearn.
>
> Regards
>
> Graham King
>
>
>

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