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From: Lorraine Taylor <>
Subject: Re: [B'ham] Warwickshire Ancestors Project
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 15:53:03 +1000
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Dear Marlene,

I only have copies of photos supplied by my English cousin - one of
Clement Dear 1 and one of Clement 1's brother, Richard Edward Dear
(May1809-May 1880) and I have portraits of all of Clement 2's daughter
and grandchhildren and all of Maurice 2's children except Henrietta,
the youngest, born 1900.

I am hoping one of the Dear relatives may have kept the old family
bible which, I would suppose, Rev. William Dear would have registered
family births in. I am using the Parish Locator program to search the
parishes surrounding Dummer where Richard 1 was residing. Then I'll go
to the Land Titles records as you suggested. Old Maps may have
something on the properties in the district during his lifetime also.

Chewers,

Lorraine

01/08/05 EAST
On 01/08/2005, at 1:35 PM, Marlene wrote:

> Great sounds like you are making progress.For the son who was
> clergyman it should not be dfficult to trace the parishes he worked
> in. Have you tried a Google search for him? Or the Anglican Church
> site if he was Anglican?
> And the farmer may well have a left a Will or some Land Transfers or
> the like. www.historicaldirectories.org
> Have you any photos? It may be useful to look at the name of the
> Photographer and wher & when he was in business?
> Have you tried www.genforum.genealogy.com? It's free to register and
> has both a surname and a country site.
> Happy hunting
> Marlene
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorraine Taylor"
> <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [B'ham] Warwickshire Ancestors Project
>
>
>> Dear Marlene,
>>
>> I have the record of the marriage of Richard Dear and Sarah Goodman
>> now, per favour Linda Fiorentino who obtained it from the Bishop of
>> Winchester's Allegations of Marriage Nov. 17, 1800. This record has
>> been retrieved by Linda as <Richard & Sarah, England Parish and
>> Probate Records.tx...>
>> As we know Richard was a farmer, I am now going to go to parishes
>> surrounding Dummer to seek further information on their forebears.
>>
>> As one of Richard Dear's sons was a clergyman, it is most likely that
>> they have records in the churches where they attended services.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Lorraine
>>
>> 1st August, 2005 at 11:14 a.m. EAST
>>
>>
>> On 01/08/2005, at 10:59 AM, Marlene wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Lorraine
>>> Sadly we all eventually reach a brick wall! As I understand it the
>>> censuses begin in 1841 and only a few earlier examples exist. You
>>> then have to look for other "proof' such as the 1803 Militia List,
>>> Parish records, Land Titles, Criminal Offences, Wills, Emigration
>>> records, Military Records or the like.
>>> The dates from Parish registers are likely to be baptism rather than
>>> birth dates unless you are very lucky and the Minister has recorded
>>> both.
>>> Our "olds" were a lot more mobile than the old genealogy books
>>> suggest unfortunately!
>>> I;d suggest you need to find them in 1851 and 1841 if you have 1861.
>>> That at least would get you back another 20 years.
>>> Happy hunting
>>> Marlene
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorraine Taylor"
>>> <>
>>> To: <>
>>> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:29 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [B'ham] Warwickshire Ancestors Project
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dear Mariene,
>>>>
>>>> My cousin in England gave me the dates for Clement Dear and I have
>>>> his six siblings and most of their birth dates except for the Rev.
>>>> William who was the eldest.
>>>> I think my cousin has had to go to Church registers for quite a few
>>>> birth dates but he has not been able to find dates for the first
>>>> Richard Dear who married Sarah Goodman.
>>>>
>>>> I think I need the census for Ventnor on the Isle of Wight for 1791
>>>> if there was one as most of the Dear family were living there when
>>>> the 1861 census was taken.
>>>>
>>>> On Jeanagh'a recommendation, I looked through the Warwickshire
>>>> Ancestors Project at www.hunimex.com/warwick/w-a-p.html but there
>>>> are two sections with a Dear and a Goodman in them - nos. 3 and 4,
>>>> but no Christian names by which to identify them. No. 5 shows 18
>>>> Goodmans at Hillmorton but no Sarah. There is another Goodman at
>>>> Stockton. There is also a Goodman in section 11 under Monumental
>>>> Inscriptions - again no first name.
>>>> On 31/07/2005, at 6:22 PM, Marlene wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Lorraine
>>>>> Fraid you won't get a birth cert for 1811 as Civil Registration
>>>>> didn't begin until 1837. You may find a baptism entry at their
>>>>> local parish church or if you are lucky on the IGI.
>>>>> HOW do you know he was born 3rd April? Whatever the source does it
>>>>> give a clue as to their whereabouts at the time.? You may have to
>>>>> search the parish register (some are on film from the Latter Day
>>>>> Saints) to see if a parent is recorded.
>>>>> Happy hunting
>>>>> Marlene
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorraine Taylor"
>>>>> <>
>>>>> To: <>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 8:01 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [B'ham] Warwickshire Ancestors Project
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Bill,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the right family,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have a query beside Francis May and I think it should be
>>>>>> Fanny Way - a girl born 13th August, 1855. The Way was the maiden
>>>>>> name of Clement's first wife who died some time before 1829 when
>>>>>> Clement married a second time, Louisa Chessell, whose children
>>>>>> these are. Clement Dear 1811-1899 did have a grocery business in
>>>>>> the Isle of Wight.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't think why Clement Francis Dear, who was the eldest child
>>>>>> of Clement Dear one, is not on the census but he would have been
>>>>>> 9 years old at the time and may have been away visiting
>>>>>> relatives. The 1861 census was taken before the youngest child,
>>>>>> James Richard Dear was born in 1871.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What I need is a birth certificate of Clement Dear born 3rd
>>>>>> April, 1811 so that I can get his parents full names - that is if
>>>>>> they have been recorded.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Much obliged for your help,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lorraine
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 01/07/05 at 6:00 p.m. EAST
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 31/07/2005, at 2:15 AM, Bill Burgoyne wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lorraine,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This could be part of your DEAR family on the 1861 census. The
>>>>>>> only Clement DEAR on the Ancestry index.
>>>>>>> .Sending image off list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Clement DEAR, head, 50, Grocer employing 3 men, b Laverstock,
>>>>>>> Hampsire.
>>>>>>> Francis Sarah DEAR, wife, 44, b Portsmouth, Hampshire.
>>>>>>> Fanny? May DEAR, 6, b Ventnor,Isle of Wight,
>>>>>>> Maurice DEAR, 3, b Ventnor, Isle of Wight,
>>>>>>> Henry DEAR, 2, b Ventnor,Isle of Wight,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorraine Taylor"
>>>>>>> <>
>>>>>>> To: <>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 12:01 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [B'ham] Warwickshire Ancestors Project
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Marlene,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have you got as far as Goodman in this project as yet?
>>>>>>>> I am looking for Sarah Goodman who married my great great great
>>>>>>>> great grandfather, Richard Dear for whom I have no dates but
>>>>>>>> their first child - Rev. William Dear must have been born 1804
>>>>>>>> or earlier because their second child, James was born in 1805.
>>>>>>>> Subsequent siblings were Maurice, Richard Edward, Clement,
>>>>>>>> Elizabeth and Henry between 1805 and 1819.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lorraine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 30/07/05
>>>>>>>>
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