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From: "Marlene" <>
Subject: Re: [B'ham] Warwickshire Ancestors Project
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:59:33 +1200
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Hi Lorraine
Sadly we all eventually reach a brick wall! As I understand it the censuses
begin in 1841 and only a few earlier examples exist. You then have to look
for other "proof' such as the 1803 Militia List, Parish records, Land
Titles, Criminal Offences, Wills, Emigration records, Military Records or
the like.
The dates from Parish registers are likely to be baptism rather than birth
dates unless you are very lucky and the Minister has recorded both.
Our "olds" were a lot more mobile than the old genealogy books suggest
unfortunately!
I;d suggest you need to find them in 1851 and 1841 if you have 1861. That at
least would get you back another 20 years.
Happy hunting
Marlene
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lorraine Taylor" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:29 AM
Subject: Re: [B'ham] Warwickshire Ancestors Project


> Dear Mariene,
>
> My cousin in England gave me the dates for Clement Dear and I have his six
> siblings and most of their birth dates except for the Rev. William who
> was the eldest.
> I think my cousin has had to go to Church registers for quite a few birth
> dates but he has not been able to find dates for the first Richard Dear
> who married Sarah Goodman.
>
> I think I need the census for Ventnor on the Isle of Wight for 1791 if
> there was one as most of the Dear family were living there when the 1861
> census was taken.
>
> On Jeanagh'a recommendation, I looked through the Warwickshire Ancestors
> Project at www.hunimex.com/warwick/w-a-p.html but there are two sections
> with a Dear and a Goodman in them - nos. 3 and 4, but no Christian names
> by which to identify them. No. 5 shows 18 Goodmans at Hillmorton but no
> Sarah. There is another Goodman at Stockton. There is also a Goodman in
> section 11 under Monumental Inscriptions - again no first name.
> On 31/07/2005, at 6:22 PM, Marlene wrote:
>
>> Hi Lorraine
>> Fraid you won't get a birth cert for 1811 as Civil Registration didn't
>> begin until 1837. You may find a baptism entry at their local parish
>> church or if you are lucky on the IGI.
>> HOW do you know he was born 3rd April? Whatever the source does it give
>> a clue as to their whereabouts at the time.? You may have to search the
>> parish register (some are on film from the Latter Day Saints) to see if a
>> parent is recorded.
>> Happy hunting
>> Marlene
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorraine Taylor"
>> <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 8:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: [B'ham] Warwickshire Ancestors Project
>>
>>
>>> Dear Bill,
>>>
>>> This is the right family,
>>>
>>> You have a query beside Francis May and I think it should be Fanny Way -
>>> a girl born 13th August, 1855. The Way was the maiden name of Clement's
>>> first wife who died some time before 1829 when Clement married a second
>>> time, Louisa Chessell, whose children these are. Clement Dear 1811-1899
>>> did have a grocery business in the Isle of Wight.
>>>
>>> I can't think why Clement Francis Dear, who was the eldest child of
>>> Clement Dear one, is not on the census but he would have been 9 years
>>> old at the time and may have been away visiting relatives. The 1861
>>> census was taken before the youngest child, James Richard Dear was born
>>> in 1871.
>>>
>>> What I need is a birth certificate of Clement Dear born 3rd April, 1811
>>> so that I can get his parents full names - that is if they have been
>>> recorded.
>>>
>>> Much obliged for your help,
>>>
>>> Lorraine
>>>
>>> 01/07/05 at 6:00 p.m. EAST
>>>
>>>
>>> On 31/07/2005, at 2:15 AM, Bill Burgoyne wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lorraine,
>>>>
>>>> This could be part of your DEAR family on the 1861 census. The only
>>>> Clement DEAR on the Ancestry index.
>>>> .Sending image off list.
>>>>
>>>> Clement DEAR, head, 50, Grocer employing 3 men, b Laverstock, Hampsire.
>>>> Francis Sarah DEAR, wife, 44, b Portsmouth, Hampshire.
>>>> Fanny? May DEAR, 6, b Ventnor,Isle of Wight,
>>>> Maurice DEAR, 3, b Ventnor, Isle of Wight,
>>>> Henry DEAR, 2, b Ventnor,Isle of Wight,
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorraine Taylor"
>>>> <>
>>>> To: <>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 12:01 PM
>>>> Subject: [B'ham] Warwickshire Ancestors Project
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Marlene,
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you got as far as Goodman in this project as yet?
>>>>> I am looking for Sarah Goodman who married my great great great great
>>>>> grandfather, Richard Dear for whom I have no dates but their first
>>>>> child - Rev. William Dear must have been born 1804 or earlier because
>>>>> their second child, James was born in 1805. Subsequent siblings were
>>>>> Maurice, Richard Edward, Clement, Elizabeth and Henry between 1805 and
>>>>> 1819.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lorraine.
>>>>>
>>>>> <>
>>>>>
>>>>> 30/07/05
>>>>>
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