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Subject: Re: [ENG-STS-SEDGLEY] John Brookes 1827 Gornal born
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:31:00 +0930


Hi Christine and Stephen and all,

Thanks for all the info, Christine. I think we might be getting somewhere.
Just suggestions, though.

The John who was son of Thomas and Amelia does not seem to belong in
my line at all, or if he does, it's on a far-out lateral.

The John who lived in West Brom might be the son of Joseph and Esther -
unless he's a different man altogether! Big help, eh?

1851 Rowley Regis
John 24 Bricklayer wife Hannah 21 (born Rowley Regis) with Benjamin
Tromans
64 Widower and family (this seems to suggest confirmation of marriage to
Hannah Tromans June qtr 1850 Dudley 18 475)

1861 West Bromwich
John 34 Bricklayer Hannah 32 Mary 9 Anne 3 (born Oldbury WOR) Joseph
6
months plus visitor Anne Cooper 42 Widow born Rowley

1871 census West Bromwich
John 44 Bricklayer Hannah 43 Mary 20 Anne 16 Joseph 12 Matilda 6 Harry
2
plus (listed as Aunt but perhaps Aunt to children) Anne Cooper Widow 53

1881 census West Bromwich
John 54 (listed as married) Bricklayer daughter Matilda 16 Nail cutter and
visitor Mary Toy 16 Nail cutter born West Bromwich

And the one who moved to Yorkshire is probably "mine"- son of John B.
(putatively brother of the Joseph who married Esther) and Hannah
HODGETTS. I note he called his first son John.

1851 census entry : Longton Staffordshire
with the household of Richard and Maria Pye and family including
stepdaughter Elizabeth Barker (Richard Pye married Maria Barker in 1845 -
her birthplace is listed variously as Broseley/Madeley)
John Brooks 24 Bricklayer listed as brother in law
Elizabeth 23 listed as sister
John 11 months Born Longton

1861 census entry : Longton Staffordshire
John Brooks 34 Bricklayer
Elizth Brooks 33
John Brooks 11
Thos Brooks 8
Joseph Brooks 4
William Brooks 1

1871 census entry: Attercliffe Yorkshire
John Brooks 43 Bricklayer
Elizabeth Brooks 41
John Brooks 21
Thomas Brooks 18
William Hy Brooks 12
George R Brooks 9
Elizabeth Brooks 6
James Wood 21
James Colley 21

1881 census:
Dwelling: 10 Kenneth St Census Place: Rotherham, York, England Source:
FHL Film 1342130 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 4672 Folio 143 Page 49
Marr Age Sex Birthplace John BROOKES M 54 M Gornal, STS, ENG,
England Rel: Head Occ: Bricklayer
Elizabeth BROOKES M 52 F Borosley, Shropshire, England Rel: Wife
William H. BROOKES M 21 M Wolverhampton, STS, ENG, England Rel:
Son Occ: Bricklayer
Jane BROOKES M 19 F Norfolk, England Rel: Son Wife
George R. BROOKES U 18 M Longden, STS, ENG, England Rel: Son Occ:
Labourer General
Elizabeth BROOKES U 15 F Sedgeley, STS, ENG, England Rel: Daughter

Unfortunately it doesn't help in sorting out which Elizabeth this John married,
since if she was Richard PYE's sister but was married as JEFFRIES,
DUCKHOUSE or CHILD she must have been a widow. Unless she was
actually Maria's sister, in which case either or both of them could have been
widows...

I need a coffee.

Cheers,
Satima









Hallo Satima and Stephen

Just in case it is of any help in sorting out your Brookes and if you don't
already have them after the 1841 census Satima (a break from trying to deal
with my out of control inbox !!) :



3) John son of Thomas and Amelia :

1841 in Sedgley Thomas 40 Amelia 40 Sarah 20 Thomas 15 John 12 Mary
10
William 8 Joseph 6 Amelia 4

1851 in Ledbury Herefordshire John aged 23 Occupation Nailor with parents
Thomas 53 Occupation Nailor and Amelia 56 siblings Joseph 16 Nailor
Amelia
14 Glover (all born Sedgley)

1861 in Lower Gornal Sedgley John aged 32 Nailor with wife Elizabeth 28
sons
Thomas 6 John 4 with widowed Father Thomas 63 Nailor and siblings
Joseph 23
Amelia 22

1871 in Hereford Herefordshire John aged 43 (no occupation listed)
Elizabeth
38 Thomas 16 John 14 Sarah 10 William 5 Mary J 2 plus visitors Thomas
Brooks
40 wife Maria 30 and their daughters Mary A 9 and Maria 2 (born
Smethwick) -
all others listed as born Gornal except Thomas (16) William and Mary J
listed as born Hereford)

1881 census Hereford John Brookes 56 Marine Store Dealer Elisabeth 52
son
John 21 Marine Store Dealer Cousin Mary A. Brookes 40 Servant born
Herefordshire Daughter Amelia Brookes 13 Cousin William Brookes 9
Grandaughter Charlotte Brookes 7 Lodgers Lucy Fletcher 49 James
Fletcher 60
James Bowen 52 Son William Brooks 17 Assists his Father Lodgers Kitty
Reade
28 Thomas Reade 40 Daughter Mary J. (A) Brookes 13


1) or 2) ? Parentage Joseph and Ester or John and Hannah

John always lists his birthplace as Sedgley.

1851 Rowley Regis
John 24 Bricklayer wife Hannah 21 (born Rowley Regis) with Benjamin
Tromans
64 Widower and family (this seems to suggest confirmation of marriage to
Hannah Tromans June qtr 1850 Dudley 18 475)

1861 West Bromwich
John 34 Bricklayer Hannah 32 Mary 9 Anne 3 (born Oldbury WOR) Joseph
6
months plus visitor Anne Cooper 42 Widow born Rowley

1871 census West Bromwich
John 44 Bricklayer Hannah 43 Mary 20 Anne 16 Joseph 12 Matilda 6 Harry
2
plus (listed as Aunt but perhaps Aunt to children) Anne Cooper Widow 53

1881 census West Bromwich
John 54 (listed as married) Bricklayer daughter Matilda 16 Nail cutter and
visitor Mary Toy 16 Nail cutter born West Bromwich






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