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From: "LC & BJ Kirkwood" <>
Subject: Re: [Dyfed] REES marrying JENKINS or MATHIAS 1850s
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 15:17:27 +1100
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Dear Mary, Sylvia and Gerry,

To add to the information supplied by Sylvia and Gerry...perhaps....

William Jenkins, Shoemaker, m. Dorothy James in 1817 at Burton......

There is only one Burton James marriage in the appropriate parental time
frame.......a William James in 1780 married Sarah Richards ....one would
expect to find their first names in those of Dorothy's children which casts
doubt that these are Dorothy James' parents.

As for possible marriages at Burton for parents of William Jenkins.......
Charles Jenkins 1791 m. Anne Griffiths
David Jenkins 1783 m. Mary Max

There is also a marriage for a David Jenkins in 1805 to Mary Rees....so
unless they married years after William Jenkins was born, they are hardly
likely to be his parents. However, this David Jenkins might possibly be a
child of the 1783 marriage.

Unfortunately there are no early Mathias marriages shown as taking place at
Walton West, though plenty took place in other areas of Rhos Hundred.

There is a marriage shown in the 1813-37 Pemb. marriages for a Thomas
Mathias of Nevern who married Esther Phillip at Llanfair Nantgwyn
03/07/1834.........but I have been caught out before....so looked further
...and there is also a marriage shown between Thomas Mathias and Esther
Phillips at Walton West 19/10/1833. How coincidental......how intriguing!

Bettye Kirkwood, Australia
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sylvia Birch" <>
To: "Gerry Lewis" <>; "Dyfed List" <>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Dyfed] REES marrying JENKINS or MATHIAS 1850s


> Dear Mary and Gerry
>
> 1841 shows Jane Jenkins at home with her parents, living at Newton,
> Burton.
> William was a shoemaker and his wife Dorothy. William Jenkins married
> Dorothy James in Burton on the 19th April 1917.
> In 1851 John Mathias is shown as a Masons apprentice, Frances is shown as
> Masons daughter.
> As you say Gerry, the 1841 shows Thomas Mathias as the only possibility
> really, he is the only mason with the surname Mathias in Walton West.
> Btw John and Frances were lodging with a Mary Riley in 1851 and that is
> the
> same lady that John is shown to be lodging with in 1841.
> 1861 shows James and John Rees at home in Hubberston, Milford Haven, their
> address says Formerly a Battery. Father Thomas, age 24 a labourer born St
> Dogwells, mother Ann, age 34 born Burton.
> Going back to 1841 Jane Jenkins parents were William and Dorothy. Her
> brother and sisters as shown in 1841 were Ann aged 15, so I presume this
> will be James and Johns mum. Jane age 11, Hannah age 8, Dorothy age 6 and
> Maria age 2.
>
> Sylvia
> .................................................................
> Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths,
> Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at
> www.cenquest.co.uk
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gerry Lewis" <>
> To: "Dyfed List" <>
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 10:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] REES marrying JENKINS or MATHIAS 1850s
>
>
>> On 20/2/09 20:24, "Mary Bryceland" <> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> In the 1871 census I have James REES (age 12) and John REES (age 10)
>>> living
>>> with their uncle John MATHIAS (At 30 Manchester Sq. Milford)
>>>
>>> John's wife was Jane JENKINS. So the boys' mother should have been a
>>> Jenkins
>>> or a Mathias.
>>> Just wondering if anyone can shed any light?
>>>
>>> John Mathias was born in Walton West ca 1834, and Jane Jenkins was born
>>> in
>>> Burton.
>>>
>>> My mother (Norah Lane, formerly HOWELLS) is interested in finding out
>>> the
>>> connection between her family and later generations of the Rees family,
>>> including James Frederick (Fred) REES who always addressed her Mother as
>>> "cousin". Mum is 88 and has been a great help in researching the family
>>> as
>>> she has a good memory and has kept her mother's birthday book, which has
>>> been a great source of information.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Mary Bryceland
>>
>>
>> Hello Mary
>>
>> In the 1851 census there was a John Mathias aged 16, born and living in
>> Walton West, living with a Frances aged 10 [HO107/2477, folio 262, page
>> 4,
>> schedule 18]. No other Mathiases living with them.
>>
>> In the 1841 census in Walton West, there was a Fanny(?) [transcriber's
>> question mark] aged 2 months, living with an Esther aged 25-29, a Thomas
>> who
>> is a Mason aged 36 (?) and Sarah aged 2. No John, but there was a 5 year
>> old
>> John described as a lodger elsewhere in Walton West.
>>
>> No Jane Jenkins born Burton, in Burton or in the Steynton District in
>> 1851
>> (but there was a 21 year old Jane, born in Burton, in Tenby). The only
>> Jane
>> Jenkins in Burton in 1841 was 11 years old, presumably the same person.
>> Knowing her age in 1871 would be a help.
>>
>> Gerry Lewis
>>
>>
>>
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