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From: "Jerome Buza" <>
Subject: Re: [DVHH] Movement from Jaromer in Bohemia to Alsace regioncirca1750
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 09:33:30 -0700
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I have been reading all this "history of migration" with interest as it was
storied, in our family, that my Great Grandfather, Andrew Djuricic, from
Croatia, was either born in Alsace Lorraine, or escaped to there for some
reason. I cannot find any information to go beyond him in my searching.
So, I am thinking that it either was for religious purposes OR he did
something criminal OR someone in his famiy did so. My Grandmother was born
in Dalj, Croatia (then Austrian/Hungarian empire) and that is the only place
I can find our family. My mom said that when you stood on a high place in
Dalj you could see the Danube and see Apatin in the distance. Apatin is
where my grandfather was born and Grandma met him when she was a teenager.

God bless, Margaret in Mesa, AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Drew" <>
To: "Susan Williams" <>
Cc: <>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [DVHH] Movement from Jaromer in Bohemia to Alsace region
circa1750


> Susan,
>
> I am certainly no expert historian; but I have thought a lot about your
> question; and I think the answer (at least one answer) can be obtained
> by taking a step backward and recalling "how the times were" between
> 1700 and 1800:
>
> It was the "age of Imperialism" ...also called the "age of
> colonization." In other words, a time during which all the major
> monarchies of Europe were eagerly engaged in the process of "expanding
> their empires" and their economic and political influence throughout
> the world. Every American has read of the endeavors of King George and
> his predecessors to colonize America. The Kings of France and Spain
> and Portugal were doing the same thing in the Americas.... and, in
> fact, even in Africa and the Orient. Maria Theresia and her
> predecessors were simply doing the same thing... only EASTWARD... in a
> vigorous attempt to expand the economic and political clout of their
> Austrio-Hungarian Empire.
>
> All kinds of incentives were offered from what I understand. Land
> ownership was probably the most powerful; but there were also tax
> breaks, waiver of military obligations, and many other incentives...
> which others can (and have) recited better than I could. Although
> those "times were tough" for the peasant class in those days, I don't
> think we should assume that something terrible must have happened in
> every case where a person or family decided to volunteer to be
> colonists In fact, I would rather believe that, in most cases, during
> those times, the decision was motivated by a general "spirit of
> adventure" along with the element that Nick pointed out... a general
> wish to improve one's lot in life. In fact, I think, that the idea or
> "spirit" of the adventure of being a colonist was, in those days, a
> much admired thing among those who were not land owners or titled. In
> fact, I'd assume that those who "left to settle the colonies" were
> probably much admired and missed by those who (being more timid) stayed
> behind.
>
> These are just some ideas and perspectives I've "thought up" while
> thinking and reading about the whole question of why the DS migrated in
> the first place. Sooner or later, all the "Empires" collapsed, as did
> most of the monarchies. The issue of why the whole Hapsburg plan "blew
> up" and turned disastrous during the first half of the 20th century is,
> of course, an entirely different matter... and a very tragic one with
> many "lessons to be learned." I will leave it at that so as not to
> open the contemporary cans of worms called "assimilation" and
> "multiculturalism."
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Dec 13, 2006, at 4:45 PM, Susan Williams wrote:
>
>> I almost forgot that, Jody. Do you have any idea why people came
>> from Bohemia. I do believe I saw that a few early settlers of
>> Glogowatz were from Bohemia too ... but no reason was given in the
>> Heimatbuch -- or at least nothing that I read, so far. Susan
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Mercydorf
>> To: Susan Williams ;
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Movement from Jaromer in Bohemia to Alsace
>> region circa 1750
>>
>>
>> My Banater ancestor came to Banat in the late 1700's while in the
>> Army, he was from Rojau, Marienbad, Bohemia.
>>
>> Jody
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Susan Williams
>> To:
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:28 PM
>> Subject: [DVHH] Movement from Jaromer in Bohemia to Alsace region
>> circa 1750
>>
>>
>> Nick - Since I know that some of your family originated from
>> Bohemia, I was wondering if you knew why people moved from Bohemia to
>> areas like Alsace or eventually the Banat.
>>
>> I received an e-mail from someone on one of the Bohemia lists
>> whose family originated in Jaromer but migrated to Alsace circa 1750.
>> He was wondering what would have been the motivation (if anything
>> specific). Thanks for any direction you can give. Susan
>>
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