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From: tuulen <>
Subject: Re: [R-M222] Surname Sample
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 23:06:13 -0400
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Chris,

A 64/67 match is exceptionally close, and should not be ignored. Surnames
can change, without apparent reason, but that has been known to happen.

Doug


On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 9:29 PM, <> wrote:

>
>
> I did find that some of the McClures in Northern Ireland were actually
> Irish McAleer's from County Tyrone..2 of my closest DNA matches are with a
> McClure from Northern Ireland, and a McAleer from County Tyrone. By looking
> at the DNA results, they both appear to be closely related ..My surname is
> Lane, and my line was also from Ireland..so I'm not really sure how I also
> match them so closely at 64/67.
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> From: "Malcolm McClure" <>
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 6:58:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [R-M222] Surname Sample
>
> Alan
>
> I have a lot of information about the Ayrshire (Carrick) McClures, where
> in late medieval times they were close associates of the Cassilis Kennedy
> family.
> Actually the first reference to the McClures that I've seen is from 1486
> in Kirkudbright.
> I am rather inclined to think the earlier name was Irish, —possibly from
> O'Cleirigh but I lack supporting information for that speculation.
>
> Malcolm.
>
>
> On 15 Apr 2012, at 23:24, wrote:
>
> > Malcolm, have you done much research in Ayrshire, where the McClure
> surname
> > first appears?
> >
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 12/04/2012 21:46:22 GMT Standard Time,
> > writes:
> >
> > McCune's 1966 list of Scotch-irish Ancestors is interesting and in
> > reasonable accord with my own interpretation of their origins. I would
> reserve
> > judgement on whether all those surnames were indigenous the Galloway
> area for
> > centuries before the 1700s. Some of the names have a distinctly Irish
> > identity and several others could also be construed as originating in
> North
> > Ireland. There has been travel between Ireland an Galloway for many
> millennia,
> > although of course the use of surnames goes back only a thousand years
> or
> > less.
> >
> > I have selected some candidate names with seeming Irish affinities from
> > McCune's list for discussion:
> > Possible Irish Migrants to Galloway?
> >
> > Adair
> >
> > Baird, Beattie
> >
> > Campbell, Cannon, Carrick, Clark, Cormack, Cunningham
> >
> > Dun, Dunbar, Duncan
> >
> > Gilchrist, Gillespie, Gillmour,
> >
> > Kennedy, Kilpatrick, Kyle
> >
> > McAdam, McBride, McCall
> >
> > McClanachan, McClelland, McClure
> >
> > McConnel, McCormick, McCrae, McCulloch
> >
> > McGhie, McGill, McGowen
> >
> > McKelvie, McKenna
> >
> > McNab, McTaggart
> >
> > Martin, Milligan, Mulroy
> >
> > Tait, Tagart
> >
> > Susan has said
> >
> > " I'm not certain for myself in regard to M222 that surname is one of
> > the criteria that I would use to look at the clade. I would rather see
> > a nearly blind study where the surnames were kept separate from the
> > study until that data had been analyzed and the information ready to
> > assemble with the names then matched up to the numbers assigned to each
> > result. That would be a more honest approach, and likely would be more
> > revealing than if surnames were a consideration from the beginning. But
> > that is simply an opinion."
> >
> > I think there could be merit in a wider debate about the structure of a
> 37
> > marker study of say, 1000 males.
> > We are seeking convergence of M222 clades at some undefinable point in
> the
> > distant past.
> > If we select the blind 1000 sample from names that have a stable history
> > in the "source " area it seems we would be more likely to distinguish
> > branches than twigs.
> > It might well be that the branches pointed to early migration of
> distinct
> > populations to the common area, with the common M222 ancestor much
> father
> > back in time. However I think we need to restrict the sampling method to
> > that possibility before attempting to extract time estimates from a
> mish-mash
> > of anonymous randomised data, albeit currently indigenous to Galloway.
> >
> > If we can develop a clearcut rationale to justify our objectives, it
> will
> > be much easier to gather support for the necessary expenditure.
> >
> > Malcolm.
> >
> >
> >
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