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From: Susan Hedeen <>
Subject: Re: [R-M222] Geographical distribution of M222+
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 08:20:54 -0400
M222+ has no surname other than it's tag. As a sub-clade of L21 just as
the other R1b clades and sub-clades it is evidenced in many countries in
the Isles and on the continent. It's heaviest coalescence is in Ireland
for a variety of reasons.
The SNP mutated in one man somewhere around but not confined to dating
as of yet; TMRCA's reveal that it was around at least as early as 0
BC/CE and in the Isles at that time, but not necessarily in Ireland.
The population from which those who carry the SNP at that time spoke a
Gaelic language, and thus the R1b population or tribe with-in which that
one man who mutated the SNP, if it mutated in the Isles and If it
mutated no earlier than 0 was probably Celtic.
Surname choice and usage did not begin for over a thousand years later,
and those surnames were fickle -- they like the DNA mutated and changed
over time to what we know it from our haplotypes today.
Our identities and our families are all tied up with our surnames, but
in regard to M222, they are a non-issue beyond our pursuit to make sense
of our own heritages.
In regard to the Irish-Scot nationalism which few of us can ignore in
this day and time, M222 can care less. It SNPd out with no country
boundaries. If it could claim a cultural identity, it likely wouldn't
beyond a people and a tribe of what we consider ancient but in the
broader scope as a child arising from more ancient a people who in turn
like wise arose from even more ancient a people. All of this occurring
before there were country designations of any lasting names, before the
god's had been melded into the one god, before the time when languages
were set down in writing.
We are discussing this because our progenitors survived in the various
locations to die where ever they last migrated to before they rejoined
the earth that they walked, rode, or sailed upon.
The discussion of surnames in regard to our DNA is only useful in
perhaps tracking migrations of recent times and identifying who our
close relatives may be. That's it. We all share pride in who we think
we are; however as far as the DNA goes, it hasn't a name or face, and
shares locations of the recent migration which we may identify.
Let's not get caught up in the I'm not and you are game of nationalism
here as it is a pointless discussion. All of us descend from the 1
(one) man who mutated the M222+ SNP and therefore technically brothers
and sisters frankly without a country as the environs where that
mutation occurred has not yet been identified.
But stay turned....it will eventually, and we all may then know that
we'd likely should be speaking a different language if we use the
populations of today as a guide unless they are bi or tri lingual. Susan
On 3/27/2012 3:00 AM, wrote:
> Geographical distribution of M222+
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