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Subject: Re: [R-M222] Ulster
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 10:49:05 -0500 (EST)

Bernard, you have just worked out the reason why I am proposing we use the
O'Docherty DNA surname from the Cenel Conaill and not the O'Donnell, which
in my view, lacks a creditable result(s) with a sound paper trail back to
the 1600s (unless you know differently?). I am more than acquainted with the
O'Doherty and O'Donnell genealogies of the Cenel Conail and the McLauglin
genealogy of Cenel Eoghan (and can pull out of my book case at home,
O'Brien's Corpus Genealogiarum Hebernias, or Moody's et el's 9th Volume of A
History of Ireland that contains lists of Genealogies of the major kingship of
Ireland, or Byrne's Irish Kings and High-Kings), as others on this forum
can also do. However, what concerns me now, already, this discussion is in
danger of becoming derailed and it has hardly even begun. I will share
something separately offline that might be of interest to you. Alan

In a message dated 24/12/2011 18:06:19 GMT Standard Time,


I took another look at "Cenel Conaill of the North" genealogical table in
"Early Irish Kingship and Succession" and I noticed that Ua Domnaill
pedigree is on the far left of the page like a long lost branch of the kindred
who suddenly come to power in the 9th century from obscurity. In the center
are the descendants of Ainmire mac Setna who died 569, from whom clearly
descend the Ua Canannain (O'Cannon) and Ua Maildoraid (O'Muldory of Loch

The authors of "Donegal History & Society" have their suspicion to the
origin of Cenel Luighdheach, i.e. O'Donnell and O'Doherty (Luighdhne mac Setna
in the pedigrees is the brother of Ainmire, died 569). They report: "The
name and genealogy of the original population group would have been
refashioned by the medieval genealogists in order to show direct descent from
Conall Gulban."
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