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From: "Sandy Paterson" <>
Subject: Re: [R-M222] Ulster
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 07:00:51 -0000
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They did exactly that.

UN26 is annotated as R1a
UN29 is annotated as IxI1b2
The rest are annotated as R1b3xR1bf

But I agree with you that only about 60% were M222+. DYS392 is the

A smaller sample size results in a wider confidence interval, but it doesn't
introduce a bias. Including non M222+ introduces a huge bias (upward) and
because of the greater apparent diversity, causes a wider confidence
interval too. It's like being hit by a car into the path of an oncoming


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 25 December 2011 02:41
Subject: Re: [R-M222] Ulster

In a message dated 12/24/2011 3:10:30 A.M. Central Standard Time,

But that's not what bothers me about their study, it's the sloppiness
evidenced by including an R1a and an I haplogroup amongst the 59 used to
estimate the TMRCA.

I doubt they did that. I looked at their spreadsheet some years ago and
only about 60% of the 59 samples were M222. That would make the sample
even smaller though if they just used their IMH haplotypes from the 59.


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