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Subject: Re: [R-M222] Clan Donnachaidh M222
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:11:36 -0400 (EDT)
In a message dated 9/26/2011 11:06:33 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
Dunbars and Robinsons? Sure, I'll have a look, but which Robinsons? (you
said "some of the Robinsons").
There's a cluster of Robinsons who match the DNA of line of the
Robertsons of Struan. Three in the line of the chieftains have been tested.
The first Duncan from whom the clan is named lived about 1300 AD. So the
surname could not have existed before that. I saw references from 1391
that talked about Duncansons (Wyntoun's history) - the Robertson surname was
adopted sometime in 1400s by the chiefly line. Some also took the name
Reid later -not sure exactly when. Someone else may have the exact dates.
Supposedly these are descendents of Crinan, Ahbot of Dunkeld, d. 1045. The
Dunbars also claim some kind of descent from Crinan, but I have no idea
what. Some son of Crinan, I think.
When comparing the chieftain Robertsons to the Duncans and McConaghys, a
name said to derive from the Clan Donnachaidh, I wondered if the data really
supported a descent from a common ancestor ca. 1300-1400 AD. Also the
Reids. The Dunbars are extremely distant from any other sample in the
I have this data in a spreadsheet if anyone would like a copy.
As yet I have no firm opinions on the DNA myself. The main
Duncan/McConaghy cluster is tightly related with about 5-6 off modal markers. One of
these is also found in the Robertson chieftains.