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From: Bernard Morgan <>
Subject: Re: [R-M222] Cenél Maine - truly Uí Néill?
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:02:14 +0000
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Jerry,

I flipped through MacNiocaill work and didn't find any reference questioning the origin of Cenel Maine. Mac Fhirbhisigh questioned one family? Father Walsh (the specialist on Westmeath) question Brecaighe origin, but not the Cenel Maine in general. No comments from Dobbs, so comes down to Brynes and his comment about conflicting pedigrees of Aed mac Brenainn?

On the subject of M222 relation with the Ui Neill, where are the M222+ O'Kellys from? Sil Aed Slaine?


> From:
> To:
> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:24:46 -0400
> Subject: Re: [R-M222] Cenél Maine - truly Uí Néill?
>
> Bernard a chara,
>
> In the last few days on this list, modern historians Byrne and Mac Niocaill,
> and Mac Fhirbhisigh in the 17th century.
>
> Le gach dea-ghuí / Best,
> Jerry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
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> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:09 PM
> To: dna-r1b1c7
> Subject: Re: [R-M222] Cenél Maine - truly Uí Néill?
>
>
>
> Jerry,
>
> Which experts? You may have seen John's posting as to the origin of Cenél
> nEoghain and Cenél Conaill. I've seen the arguement that Eoghain and Conaill
> (like Maine) are missing from early Irish sources (i.e. the lives of St
> Patrick).
>
>
> > From:
> > To:
> > Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 10:16:08 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Cenél Maine - truly Uí Néill?
> >
> > Go raibh maith agat, a Bernard. Inseoidh am an scéal. / Thank you,
> > Bernard. Time will tell the story.
> >
> > In the meantime, the experts seem to think that the evidence of the
> > manuscripts casts doubt on the genealogies of Cenél Maine and Uí
> > Mhaine rather than on the genealogies of Cenél nEoghain and Cenél Conaill.
> >
> > Le gach dea-ghuí / Best,
> > Jerry
>
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