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From: tuulen <>
Subject: Re: [R-M222] Milligans, Johnsons, Jordans, McCamish
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 17:51:24 -0400
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Thank you, I enjoyed reading your report, and I can only guess as to how
much time and effort you have invested in getting that far with it, as I am
now beginning to appreciate.

I am a Morrison whose family traces back to the late 18th century in County
Armagh, but until recently I had simply assumed that my family had
originated somewhere in Scotland. After all, Morrison is a Scottish name,
right? But no! My DNA evidence now clearly points to Ireland, and I have
discovered an ancient Irish Morrison family, too, complete with many
different name spellings, although I have not been able to find any
connection between my name and the historical name. Too bad that names do
not have DNA!


On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 7:19 AM, <> wrote:

> Hi John,
> >Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 23:06:23 -0400 (EDT)
> >From:
> >Subject: [R-M222] Milligans, Johnsons, Jordans, McCamish
> >'The Milligans, Johnsons, Jordans and McCamish have an interesting cluster
> within M222.
> >_http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/yutility.html_
> (http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/yutility.html)
> >John
> The McCamish surname clusters in Derry and southern Tyrone. An early hit in
> the early 1600 was in the Derry Liberties (Murtagh McC fined for not showing
> up for jury duty). Many of the early spellings are so confusing that it is
> impossible to tell if the name will someday become McCormick or McCarmach or
> McCamish. In the late 1700s the surname emerges in the barony of Dungannon,
> clustering (where we can tell) in townlands that were in the Archdiocese
> estate. The church was not expected to rent only to British at the time of
> Plantation (or any time)_. Hence the various churchland estates were home to
> many, many Irish displaced by settlers from civil estates. Living on one
> suggests immediately Irish origin to me -- and I've found this often to be
> true. Some of these townlands were lent out on long leases to local noblemen
> so it might not be obvious at first that they were churchlands .
> Other details also suggested they were Irish: ie no manic attachment to
> Presbyterianism as part of an ethnic identity. The findable ones were of
> various religious persuasions. Many converted to some form of Protestantism
> BCR (Before Church Records). Not in Convert Rolls, etc (so 'common' or
> unlanded Irish). In early 1800s evidence that even some of the Protestants
> spoke Irish (stories of Irish speaking saving them in Belfast riots).
> When they moved to Belfast, became confused with the McComish clan from
> County Down, also M222, but not related. By the late 1700s they were small
> tradesmen, often carpenters.
> Some moved to the new world by 1751 (Pennsylvania) -- confirmed related via
> DNA. This particular man's ancestor was one of three brothers who migrated
> about 1770 to Virginia, then Tennessee. Several men descended from these
> fellas have tested (so we got the right DNA sig). Matches an Australian with
> a clear paper trail back to an emigrant from a Tyrone village.
> The family has tended to believe they were settlers, descendants of Clann
> Gunn, in NE Scotland. But very very little M222 'up there', for starters.
> Some McGregors and Stuarts used "McCamish" in Scotland in the 1600s and
> 1700s, though by the time that we have Scottish censuses, all McCamishes in
> these censuses are tracable to Ireland and the Tyrone McCamish, so I don't
> think it 'took' as a surname in Scotland.
> However both McCamish and McComish were used in early Mann. I've not DNA
> tested any of the Manx -- largely because I haven't found any alive! However
> it has seemed to me, though I'm not an expert, that the Tyrone McCamish are
> probably local boys and not Manx transplants because their DNA is similar to
> the DNA of the central Ulster Irish.
> Maybe some of this info will shed light on the Milligans, etc.
> Linda Merle
> R1b1c7 Research and Links:
> http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/
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