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From: Bob Quinn <>
Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 21:59:14 -0400
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Thanks, again.

Bob Quinn
Quinn Specialty Chemical Consultants

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Co-Chair ACS GCI Manufacturer's Roundtable
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> From:
> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 20:52:38 -0400
> To: ;
> Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research
> In a message dated 7/29/2011 11:15:57 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> writes:
> What can I learn from the FTDNA Haplotree page My Matches, John? I have
> "exact" matches with 10 "people", 6 from Ireland, from R1b1a2a1a1b4b. I am
> said to be R1b1a2.I have a bunch more with 1-step mutations, with the same,
> R1b1a2a1a1b4b Haplogroup, most of them from Ireland, 136 out of less than
> 200 "matches .What can I draw from that other than that I appear to be Irish
> and in the Ribia2 area? Does it indicate my ancestors pretty far back were
> from Orkney or Scandinavia or anything specific? Regards, Bob
> Bob Quinn
> President&CEO
> Quinn Specialty Chemical Consultants
> I just checked the Quinn DNA project. The project admin. groups most of
> the M222 Quinns as Irish from Clann Fearghusa, including your own. That
> would make some sense. One might expect their DNA to be M222 with an origin
> from Owen, son of Nial. My only reservation might be I don't see a lot of
> solid location information online.
> The clan Fearghusa were well known in Irish history. It's the tribe name
> of the O Mailfabhails, Kings of Carraig Brachaidhe in Inishowen (Donegal).
> That's a name now preserved in the castle of Carrickabraghey (on the Isle
> of Doagh, parish of Clonmany). Among the septs associated with this tribe
> are the O'Hogans of Tullach oge in Tyrone and the O Conne or O Cuinn. The
> O'Hogans are probably the better known of the two - they were the
> traditional inaugurators of the O'Neill chieftains of Tullyhogue. It is presumed
> they followed the O'Neills west from their original base in Inishowen.
> There's an interesting reference to these two related septs in the Rights
> of O'Neill:
> 18. Muintir Chuinne and Muintir Again are the high-stewards and chief
> administrators of O Neill in the province of Ulster. Two-thirds of the
> revenue go to Muintir Chuinne, because there were two of them at the
> killing of Mag Lochlainn in the battle; and one-third to Muintir
> Again because only one of them was there present. Two cows out of every
> score, whether they be taken or given, and five pence for each cow as
> commutation.
> The killing of Mag Lochlainn is a reference to the Battle of Caim Eirge in
> 1241 when the combined forces of the O'Donnells and O'Neills defeated the
> MacLochlainns, then kings of the northern Ui Neill.
> The O'Hogans are named in the Topographical Poems.
> A stout chief over Tulach Og
> O hOgain, chief of white roads,
> The plough has passed through every wood for it,
> Another O hOgain is near it.
> Another section mentions the O Quinns and O'Hogans..
> The Clanns of Fergus view ye,
> Know their vigorous chieftains;
> Victorious over [foes] in every hill,
> Are the Clann-Cuanach, the Clann-Baothghalaigh.
> Over the lasting Carraic Brachaidhe,
> Over the red-armed Clann Fergusa.
> On each side they extended to the wave,
> The O'Bruadairs, the O'Maoilfabhaills,
> The O'Coinnes, the O hOgains here,
> Elevation of human people.
> This is still somewhat conjectural though in that It's not yet clear to me
> if enough Quinn samples can be traced to Tryone or one of the surrounding
> counties to establish that this DNA is Cenel Fearghusa. Perhaps there is.
> You can see how the Cenel Fearghusa fit into the northern Ui Neill picture
> from this chart:
> _http://clanmaclochlainn.com/septs.htm_
> (http://clanmaclochlainn.com/septs.htm)
> John
> R1b1c7 Research and Links:
> http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/
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