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From: "Jerry Kelly" <>
Subject: Re: [R-M222] Ó Catháin
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 12:52:22 -0400
A Chathail a chara / Hi Charles,
In Ó Catháin, the th is pronounced as an h. In most dialects á is
pronounced like aw. But in Ulster, it's usually ah (although there is one
dialect variation I know of).
The result is that Catháin is pronounced as 2 syllables rather than one,
with even stress across the two syllables. (Originally stress is on the
first syllable in Ulster Irish but the accent mark on the a in the second
syllable evens out the stress.)
Would you have the Irish spelling on Cooey Na Gaal? Sorry to say that
this anglicization makes it impossible to identify his real name.
Le gach dea-ghuí / Best,
Cló an Druaidh / The Druid Press
[mailto:] On Behalf Of Charles Cain
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [R-M222] 111-Marker RESULTS
As one of the "Cain/Kanes" mentioned by Sandy (regarding off-modal matches
in the trans-67 markers), let me make several comments:
1.The O'Kane history is recounted in some detail in a book by T.M.
Mullin and J.E. Mullan titled "The Ulster Clans."
2. At least one origin of the McHenry surname is dated in this book to the
early 1400s. Henry O'Cathain was the son of Dermot who died in 1428.
Dermot's father was Cooey Na Gaal O'Cathain (have to like that name!).
3. Because of this reference, and because the largest non-Cain group of
matches I find on FTDNA are the McHenrys, I am unsure of Sandy's hypothesis
regarding a divorce between the McHenrys and O'Kanes.
Whatever you find Sandy, I am really interested.
4. And finally, since my first North American ancestor arrived in 1740, I am
a little rusty in the old language. So, how do you pronounce "O'Cathain?" Is
the "th" silent?
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