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From: Bernard Morgan <>
Subject: Re: [R-M222] Highland Papers
Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 19:31:03 +0000
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I notice an important difference between that of Argyll Charter Chest and "An Accompt of Genealogie of the Campbells", when it comes to wives.

"An Accompt of Genealogie of the Campbells" has:
Gillecallum married to the heiress Lady Beochamps (sister to William of Normandy) and Dirvaill (daughter of Ebir, Lord of Carrick) His son Gillespick to Evah heiress of Paul O’Duibhne.

The pedigree from the Argyll Charter Chest has:
Gillecallum only married to Dirvaill (daughter of Ebir, Lord of Carrick). Gillespick to Anna daughter of Aulay oig and a daughter of Gouran (Gabhran).

To my mind "An Accompt of Genealogie of the Campbells" is a more sensationalized in regard to wives. So I wonder (again) if "An Accompt of Genealogie of the Campbells" retains great accuracy.



For what its worth here is a extact from "Account of the clan-Iver" by P.C. Campbell] by Peter Colin Campbell:
http://books.google.com/books?id=rSYAAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA53&dq=Tavish+colin&hl=en&ei=FHrNTby4FZGtgQeo8omxDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CEsQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=Tavish%20colin&f=false
Note 3. Page 4.
The first is that*Buchanan of Auchmar [Brief Enquiry, p. 30-] who makes enf . Iver and his brother Tavish illegitimate sons of Colin of Lochow, styled Maol or the Bald. This Colin is said by some to have been killed at Dunstaffnage, (* There is a third Argyllshire family of which the Head was styled MDhonnachie— Campbell of Glenfeochan. This family may probably have sprung from the house of Lochawe, but the writer has not traced its descent with certainty.) while King Edgar, who died in 1107, was there; and by Buchanan himself he is married to a niece of Alexander I., or II., and made King's Lieutenant in Argyll—which could not be before 1221—while at the same time he is represented as great-great great-grandfather of Calain Mor, who was certainly killed in 1292! This descent, from Calain Maol, seems to have been the favourite theory of the Argyll Seannachies. It places the origin of the Clan-Iver in a period so very remote and obscure as to escape severe criticism. Its gross inconsistencies are, however, self evident.
The second is that given in a genealogical table prefixed to his Life of Archibald Duke of Argyll and Greenwich, by Robert Campbell of Kirnin, who being himself of the race of Iver, and apparently desirous at once to retain the Campbell theory, and to get rid of the notion of illegitimacy, makes Iver and Tavish the sons of Archibald of Lochawe about 1360, " by a daughter of the Thane of Knapdale (Suaine Ruaidh), whom he afterwards repudiated." If anything were necessary to show theworthlessnessof a theory no where else mentioned, and the author of which evidently wishes (although he does not venture to say it) to convey to his readers an impression that his own family, Kirnan, were the heads of the Clan-Iver, it is enough to point out that it places the birth of Iver, the progenitor of the race, nearly seventy years later than the period, 1292. at which his descendants are now proved to have been already Barons in Argyll.
The third account is that given by (or rather furnished to) Sir Robert Douglas, and which styles Iver the son of Duncan, Lord of Lochow, who, accord ing to the MS. history of the family [penet Macmillan of Dunmore] was son of Sir Archibald, or Gillespie, second son of Maleolm of Lochow, by the heiress of Beauchamp in France [a peculiar form ef the Beauchamp theory of the etymology of Campbell], who was a sister's daughter of William the Conqueror!
A fourth genealogy, which deduces the House of Lochawe in an unbroken male line from Constantino the Great, through King Arthur, who is represented as Constantine's great-grandson, makes Iver and Tavish the sons of a Sir Duncan of Lochow, the nineteenth from Constantine, and the brother of Colin Maol!
It is, in the present day, scarcely conceivable how men could commit such absurdities to writing.


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