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From: Iain Kennedy <>
Subject: Re: [R-M222] Cowan
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 12:21:13 +0000
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Not to my knowledge no. Why would you think he is?

Iain






> From:
> To:
> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 12:41:31 +0100
> Subject: Re: [R-M222] Cowan
>
> Iain
>
> My guess is that Kennedy kit number 117943 is a highlander.
>
> Am I right?
>
> Sandy
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of Iain Kennedy
> Sent: 03 April 2011 09:28
> To:
> Subject: Re: [R-M222] Cowan
>
>
> John,
>
> They are all brick-walled Americans which is why I run my own separate
> testing project over here. Most of them are so-called Scots-Irish who sailed
> over from Derry and are most likely of lowland Scots descent. The highland
> branch rarely went to the modern States but turn up in large numbers in
> Canada (especially Ontario) and Australia.
>
> Like most common surnames the Kennedys are a mixture of haplogroups and both
> lowland and highland branches contain a mixture of M222 and non-M222. It
> isn't possible to determine via STR testing if the M222 ones have a
> significant common descent, nor to work out the historical source of the
> highland branch.
>
> I know Brian well and he was the first to point out to me the Deer entry.
> There is in fact a Kennedy branch who trace back to this area in
> Aberdeenshire in the early 1400s but they are difficult to pin down for
> testing and again, it's not proven whether they are native or connected with
> one of the other groups.
>
> Iain
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > From:
> > Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 18:08:15 -0400
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Cowan
> >
> > In a message dated 4/2/2011 3:57:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > writes:
> >
> > I'm relieved John found references to Lochaber in his MacGillivray
> > material since this is the area where I am studying the highland Kennedys
> and I
> > come across the name a lot. It seems to be much more localised than
> Cowan.
> >
> >
> >
> > Iain, you haven't given your opinion on who you think the M222 Kennedys
> > were in the FTDNA Project. I presume you think they're Scotttish,
> possibly
> > from Lochaber? And not from Galloway?
> >
> > A version of Kennedy history I see quoted fequently says:
> >
> > "The Clan Kennedy is said to originate from a branch of the Celtic Lords
> > of Galloway and they are associated with the Carrick district of Ayrshire
> in
> > the far south-west of Scotland. John Kennedy of Dunure and Cassillis
> > married the heiress of the Carrick earls. " [from Electric Scotland]
> >
> >
> > A theory posted on this site by a Brian Kennedy seems the best
> explanation
> > though:
> >
> >
> > Note from _Brian Kennedy_ (mailto:)
> > I have a theory for you concerning the origin of the Kennedies. I have
> > posted this postulation with the Kennedy Society of North America also.
> (I'm
> > in the States) For all of my life people have questioned how my name
> could
> > be Scottish in origin when most think it to be exclusively Irish.
> Therefore,
> > I have done some independent study on the subject.
> >
> > All the histories of the Kennedy name in Scotland have focused on early
> > manuscripts that spell the name with a "K". Their conclusions briefly are
>
> > that the name originated in Southwestern Scotland (Carrick) around 1200
> AD.
> > However, all of these histories ignore the 10th Century "Book of Deer".
> > (which is now in Cambridge University, reportedly looted by the English
> during
> > the Scottish Wars of Independence!) This Latin folio has early 12th
> Century
> > Gaelic notes added to the spaces besides the columns and at the end.
> >
> > These Gaelic notes in the Book of Deer describe the founding of a
> > Monastery in present day Aberdeenshire by Saint Drostan and Columba. It
> also
> > annotates land grants in the area during the reign of David I
> (1124-1153). The
> > document is notable as the oldest existing example of Gaelic written in
> > Scotland (except for stone inscriptions) and is in Old Irish and an early
> form
> > of Scots Gaelic.
> >
> > Among the land owners in that place and time was one Cormac mac Cennedig.
>
> > (Cennedig was apparently Cormac's father's given name as mac means "son
> > of".)
> >
> > It is well known that the Irish Annals call the high king Brian Boru;
> > Brian mac Cennetig as Cennetig was Brian's father's name. The Annals also
>
> > mention other Cennetigs seemingly unrelated to the Dal Cais tribe of
> Brian Boru
> > and his ilk.
> >
> > The two are identical names as Scots Gaelic often uses a "d" where the
> > Irish has a "t".
> >
> > It is clearly evident to me that the given name Cennetig or Cennedig was
> > quite common in Gaelic speaking areas during the middle ages (as were
> names
> > like Donnchadh or Muiredach) and accounts for its arising independently
> as
> > a surname in the forms "MacKennedy" or "MacCennetig" all over this Gaelic
>
> > cultural matrix from Moray to Munster.
> >
> > So now when people ask me how can Kennedy be a Scottish name I can reply
> > confidently that it was a common given name that arose as a surname in
> > diverse areas of both Gaelic speaking Scotland and Ireland during the
> middle
> > ages.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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