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From: "Sandy Paterson" <>
Subject: Re: [R-M222] The Scots : A Genetic Journet
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:52:31 -0000
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The way I see the maps, the only lowland area that shows a significant
amount of M222 is the Galloway area, which is on the West, on the English
border. The rest of the lowlands show little. Most of it seems to be in the
Highlands or the Western Isles. Galloway wouldn't have been part of Dal
Riada. Neither would the Highlands right up at the top (Caithness), nor the
two other Highlands areas around Aberdeenshire and Perthshire, although
Perthshire seems to border on Argyllshire.


-----Original Message-----
[mailto:] On Behalf Of yair davidiy
Sent: 19 March 2011 17:13
Subject: Re: [R-M222] The Scots : A Genetic Journet

At 10:39 AM 3/19/2011, you wrote:

Dal Riada fits in with Irish Mythology etc BUT
the maps of R-M222 show a strong concentration in the Lowlands.
This is not Dal Riada?

Moffat and Wilson address this in the book (page 193). They point out that
>some 53% of Clan Gregor Y-DNA strongly suggests descent from one man who
>S145-Pict. Yet they still maintain that The Dal Riadans are the most likely
>candidates for having been the source of M222 in Scotland. You say
> >I think people just latch onto
> >the Dal Riada invasion because it's the only migration from Ireland to
> >Scotland that anyone has heard of.
>I think that's part of it, but there's more. As you have said, there
>to be little difference in dispersion between Irish and Scots M222. This
>suggests that M222 has been in Scotland for about as long as it's been in
>Ireland. Moreover, the age of M222 is estimated at around 1500 years,
>perhaps a little more. So the age of M222, plus the dispersion similarity
>between Irish and Scots M222 is perfectly consistent with a Dal Riadic
>source. Then add their claims of a significantly higher proportion of Scots
>M222 being on the West Coast/Islands, and the case for a Dalriadic source
>becomes stronger.

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