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Subject: Re: [R-M222] Origin of M222 Larkins of Galway?
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 15:53:48 EDT


In a message dated 9/19/2010 10:17:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
writes:

> I have sponsored a Geoghegan from Westmeath who is as expected is M222+.
> Perhaps the M222+ Egans are in actual fact Geoghegans?

I hope the Geoghegan is M222+, for I would like to see some evidence for a
Southern Ui Neill entity.


There isn't much yet (in my opinion). I know of four Geogheghan samples
(which included one Gagon) sample from Sorenson that are M222. There could
be more now but I haven't looked lately.

SMGF Geoghegan NY
SMGF Gagon Westmeath
9A8QW Geoghegan Dublin, Ireland
MUKZ2 Geoghegan Ireland

There are quite a few O'Molloy samples, especially on Sorenson that are
M222. Also some Higgins samples, mostly from Ysearch.

2SKD7 Higgins Springlawn, Moylough, Mt Bellew, Galway
5GCFQ Higgins Unknown
DTTUH Higgins Ireland
G7NFX Higgins Ireland
HCRG7 Higgins Unknown
ME8PQ Higgins Leominster, England
VU85G Higgins Sligo, Ireland
Y8DPA Higgins Galway, Ireland
ZRV58 Higgins Virginia, USA

These are all Cenel FIachach MacNeill surnames.

What happened to the O Mailsechlainns of Meath? Kings of Meath and High
Kings of Ireland, from Conal Cremthaine, son of Nial. The original surname
(O'Melaghlin) has disappeared, replaced by MacLoughlin. Why have we caught
none of these in our net? We have quite a few M222 McLaughlin samples in
our project that do not match the Donegal cluster modal yet cannot be
identified beyond that since none can trace their origin to the midlands of
Ireland.

Beyond that I have only a few possibilities.

Slicht Laegaire Mic Neill INDSO

5WYUU Kindelan Meath/Kildare


Clan Cholman

SMGF Connolly Galway


Nothing at all for the Cenel Maine MacNeill?


Contrast that with lots of Connachta and Cenel Conal DNA (and Donegal in
general). Verifiable Cenel Eoghain DNA is also difficult. Are the M222
O'Donnellys Cenel Eoghain or Connachta? The surname is to be found in both
locations. The O Cathains appear to be M222 (perhaps the strongest Cenel
Eoghain surname group next to the McLaughlins). After that it's pretty thin.


We know a lot of the Cenel Maine MacNeill families lost their territories
in the aftermath of the Norman invasion. That surely put a crimp in their
reproductive capabilities. Some may even have gone extinct. As an example
the Mac Giolla sechlainns were a force mentioned numerous times in the
annals but not at all after the Norman invasion. No one really knows if they
survived, where they might have gone or whether the surname went extinct.
If it did survive in some location then the experts say it would be
McGillaghlin, McGlaghlin or some variation thereof. In short indistinguishable
from McLaughlin.

Someone mentioned Dunns lately (I think Bernard). There's a lot of M222
Dunn DNA.

3G5W3 Dunne-Woelfel Ireland
AK7H5 Doyne (Doyen)
DJN9M Doyen Ireland
2VQPC Dunn Unknown
J4HWU Dunn Unknown
RBKHA Dunn Greene County, North Carolina, USA

9NEM4 Dunn wythe county, Virginia, USA

3QR54 Dunne Laois/Laoighis, Ireland

CTJFX Dunn Ireland
FU25S Dunn Virginia, USA

G4MB6 Dunn Wythe County, Virginia, USA

ghte2 Dunn Ireland
GQVA2 Dunn unknown, Ireland

HUVBZ Dunn Unknown
M7FPA Dunn Stirlingshire, Scotland

PCA63 Dunn Clonaslee, Laois, Ireland

4AH3V Dunn Ireland
82D8Q Dunn Unknown
Y4Y7V Dunn Unknown

Most if not all of these appear to be related. Who were these? Dunns of
Offaly? That would be an odd fit with the O'Dunn of Offaly Leinster modal
pedigree. Maybe they were the unknown O'Dunns of Tara of the Topographical
Poems?

Who knows?


John






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