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From: Paul Conroy <>
Subject: Re: [R-M222] Clann Lugach mac Laoghaire
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 08:18:47 -0400
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Bernard,

What about the argument, that I've posted on twice, that Tara was not
in Meath but rather in Truro, Co Galway - this would reconcile
everything.

BTW, the Sliabh Bloom (mountains of Bladhma) mountains are on today's
Laois/Offaly border. Previously the Western third of Laois and some of
North Kilkenny was known as Ossary (Osraighe) and was seen as being
part of Munster.

On 8/25/10, Bernard Morgan <> wrote:
>
>
> >>> Was Laoghaire son of Dathi a monarch of Ireland? I don't know.
> He is not in the king list.
>
> Whatever the validity of Cenel Laoghaire being in Killala, I found this in
> “Irish Kings and High-Kings” by Francis John Byrne.: “Statements in the
> genealogies indicate that the territory of Lόegaire also extended at one
> time from Upper Loch Erne on Slieve Bloom on the Munster border. Even in
> later times septs of the name Ui Lόegaire still dwelt to the south of Lough
> Ennell and in the tributary kingdom of Uí Beccon in the far north of Mide,
> although the actual kingdom of Lόegaire was confined to an area around Trim
> and Navan.”
> [The Ui Beccon of Meath are Ui Airmeadhaigh from Mayo, they would have been
> relatives and neighbors to Ui Eachach Muaidhe?]
>
> This large spread of Cenel Laoghaire conflicts with my understanding of the
> Ui Neill world. I had read that earliest (known) state of Ui Neill was that
> of seven separate kindreds ruling their own regions. Yet this is not
> supported by geographical spread of Cenel Laoghaire (along with Cenel Enna
> and Cenel Caibre)?
>
> This geographical spread of Cenel Laoghaire and reading recent works
> identifying that Tara was outside the Ui Neill territory at the time of St
> Patrick, has left wonder if there is over-focus of the Meath Clann Laoghaire
> due to “Life of St Patrick”. I am wondering if the independent Clann
> Laoghaire of Co. Meath were in reality on the frontier of the Ui Neill
> empire and far from its heart. It suggests to me, as the previously
> mentioned on this group, that Loaghaire would have been based further west?
>
>
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