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From: Moore <>
Subject: Re: [R-M222] Coyne and Golden project families
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 07:31:14 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <000801ca74ec$30b93b30$e9cc464a@terry>

I am one of those who have a match with the Coynes, and also a couple Quinns and Gwinns (who think they are Quinns). Any sign of common origin  in the names Quinn and  Coyne? One name site listed various origins for both, I think one variant Cuin? J Moore

--- On Fri, 12/4/09, Terry Strasser <> wrote:

From: Terry Strasser <>
Subject: [R-M222] Coyne and Golden project families
Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 9:15 AM

I've been away from the list for a while, and I'd like to expand a bit on
Marie Kerr's comments in posts on the Golden and Coyne families, which I've
just found.  The two Coynes in the R-M222 project, one of whom is my
brother, who match exactly at 67 markers, are demonstrably 4th cousins.
They are descended from a relatively recent common ancestor who predated
immigration.  They were born sometime in the late 1820s to 1830 in Ireland.
The two lines have been unknown to each other for generations.  The two
brothers they trace back to, Thomas and John Coyne, immigrated to the US
during the famine years and set up as painters in Brooklyn, New York during
the 1850s. They were in business together for a year or two, they sponsored
each other's children in baptisms, and they have family members in one plot
in Holy Cross Cemetery.  Thus the DNA study supports a persuasive paper
trail linking the two US ancestors.  Another descendant of one of the
brothers in an earlier generation than the testees had a family tradition of
origin in County Roscommon (this man's grandfather, one of those two
immigrant brothers, was mentioned in his obituary.)  All bore the Coyne
surname.  A probable younger sister was baptized in 1830 in County Westmeath
near the border with County Roscommon, and her father was given as Patrick
Coyne. There is no indication that the father Patrick ever immigrated,
though his widow did, along with at least three Coyne children (those two
brothers and the younger sister.)  The immigrant Coyne daughter too was
linked to the two immigrant brothers by church records and a common cemetery

More recent DNA research has shown a clear relationship between a son of the
one of the two testees in the R-M222 project, and the brother of an Irish
researcher also named Coyne, whose family has been independently traced back
to County Roscommon as early as 1766.  These Irish Coynes have a family
tradition of a more distant origin in the north, and they consider
themselves unrelated to the Coynes of Galway and Mayo.  The two male Coynes
in the more recent study, one whose family never left Ireland and the other
a descendant of one of the immigrant Coynes, share 82 of 84 tested Y-DNA
markers (not FTDNA.)

The two project member Coynes are apparently closely related to the project
member Golden, since they differ by one marker only at 67 markers.  Where
and when the relationship occurred, however, is unclear.  No Irish
connection has yet been made.  I have found a Golden living next to a Coyne
in County Roscommon in the Griffith's evaluation of the mid-nineteenth
century, but no other evidence, and I believe the US Goldens trace their
ancestry back to County Mayo.

There may well have been an NPE somewhere, but one other thing I might point
out is that the Coynes have many Y-DNA matches in the FTDNA database, even
at 67 markers.  Last time I looked, there were 66 matches at a genetic
distance of 4 or less, at 67 markers.  None shares the Coyne surname except
for the two distant cousins.  Another GD 1 match at 67 markers is a
MacKenzie with no known connection to either Coyne or Golden.

So far as I am concerned, the only thing all this shows unequivocally is
that still more research is needed!   --Terry

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