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Subject: Re: [R-M222] Walk on the Y Project
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 01:20:57 -0400
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Where do I send the $25, or to whom?

Thanks; Billy Dunbar


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From: John <>
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Sent: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 9:39 pm
Subject: Re: [R-M222] Walk on the Y Project



John,
I also volunteer my DNA sample. My YSearch ID is 8CA3N and that of my
father's 2nd cousin is 59CKP. We differ only on multi-copy markers due to a
deletion in the palindromic region somewhere between my great great
grandfather and me. However, we deviate from the R-M222 modal haplotype on
markers: DYS 455 =10, DYS 576 =19, and DYS CDYa =39. The DYS 455 = 10 is
quite rare I'm told.

Like Paul, I'd pay $25 for this. Just let me know where to apply.

John

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Conroy" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: [R-M222] Walk on the Y Project


> John,
>
> I would also be interested, as being the most divergent of the 500
> something
> R-M222+ members, at GD=15 from modal, it may be that my DNA can shed some
> light on the origins of the group.
> I am now of the opinion that I may not be a descendant of Niall, but he
> and
> I may share a common ancestor even farther back in time. I also think that
> my STR 391=10 is ancestral, but that Niall carried 391=11, which is modal
> for the bulk of R-M222+, who are his descendants.
> I also have 449=32, which although rare is widespread, and I share it with
> some Dunn/Dunne's and some Kelly's, and one Daugherty (who also has
> 391=10),
> and a Patterson, Cowan, Bonner and others. I also have CDY b=41, which is
> also rare, but shared with many Cowan's, some Davidson's, some
> Doherty/Daughety, and also one McCourt, McGovern. Brennan, Campbell,
> Besst,
> Alexander, Clarkson, Denney, Burns and others.
>
> So I'm willing to pony up $25 for this, where do I apply?
>
> Of course I'd also like to see anyone who is R-M222+, who lives in
> Continental Europe tested - not someone with a German/French name who
> lives
> in the US, as that could be the result of an NPE...
>
> Cheers,
> Paul
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 1:04 AM, <> wrote:
>
>> I would be interested. I would be happy to put in $25 if I could narrow
>> down my Dunbar branch in Scotland
and Ireland.
>>
>> Thanks; Billy Dunbar
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 4/21/2009 10:39:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>> writes:
>>
>> I think I mentioned this before but we have two M222 project members
>> interested in the Walk on the Y project. The surnames are Megonnigil
>> and
>> Mannion. Both are from Ireland. The Megonnigils are probably from
>> Donegal; the
>> Mannion sample is from Galway. Both have been SNP tested.
>>
>> One of the ambitions of this project is to uncover new SNPS. It is
>> possible some kind of sub-clade dividing SNP could be found through the
>> test. Of
>> course it could also just find some new SNPs further subdividing L21 as
>> a
>>
>> whole.
>>
>> Megonnigil is mostly probably McGonagle, a Donegal surname. It's also
>> probably Cenel Conaill, or descended from a son of Nial. The Mannion
>> sample
>> is from Galway. As such it's probably Connachta of some kind, or
>> descended from alleged brothers of Nial. I don't think any of us know
>> exactly what
>> this surname represents but it should be different from the likely
>> Cenel
>> Conaill origin of the Megonnigils.
>>
>> Since the two most prevalent locations for this DNA are Ireland and
>> Scotland it would be of value to have a Scottish participant if one is
>> interested. The test is expensive ($750). In our ccgg project we
>> pooled
>> resources
>> with various members chipping in about $25 to cover the cost for one
>> test.
>> That could also be done for a Scottish participant in the Walk on the Y
>> Project if anyone felt like organizing a drive. You'd just have to
>> pick
>> an
>> M222 candidate with definite roots in Scotland (Dunbars and Ewings come
>> to
>> mind). Funds can be deposited into the general fund at the FTDNA M222
>> Project to pay for the test.
>>
>> I have an application form for the test if anyone is interested.
>>
>> You could also pick some geographically outlying samples from Norway,
>> France or Germany.
>>
>> Others may have ideas on a
third subject to test. If so fire away.
>> The
>> test may find something or it may not. If any new SNPS are found, even
>> what
>> may be private ones, FTDNA has said it will later test for those at
>> reasonable prices.
>>
>>
>> John
>>
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