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From: Paul Conroy <>
Subject: Re: [R-M222] Walk on the Y Project
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:04:25 -0400
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In-Reply-To: <d66.40877934.372150ca@aol.com>


John,

I would also be interested, as being the most divergent of the 500 something
R-M222+ members, at GD=15 from modal, it may be that my DNA can shed some
light on the origins of the group.
I am now of the opinion that I may not be a descendant of Niall, but he and
I may share a common ancestor even farther back in time. I also think that
my STR 391=10 is ancestral, but that Niall carried 391=11, which is modal
for the bulk of R-M222+, who are his descendants.
I also have 449=32, which although rare is widespread, and I share it with
some Dunn/Dunne's and some Kelly's, and one Daugherty (who also has 391=10),
and a Patterson, Cowan, Bonner and others. I also have CDY b=41, which is
also rare, but shared with many Cowan's, some Davidson's, some
Doherty/Daughety, and also one McCourt, McGovern. Brennan, Campbell, Besst,
Alexander, Clarkson, Denney, Burns and others.

So I'm willing to pony up $25 for this, where do I apply?

Of course I'd also like to see anyone who is R-M222+, who lives in
Continental Europe tested - not someone with a German/French name who lives
in the US, as that could be the result of an NPE...

Cheers,
Paul

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 1:04 AM, <> wrote:

> I would be interested. I would be happy to put in $25 if I could narrow
> down my Dunbar branch in Scotland and Ireland.
>
> Thanks; Billy Dunbar
>
>
> In a message dated 4/21/2009 10:39:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> writes:
>
> I think I mentioned this before but we have two M222 project members
> interested in the Walk on the Y project. The surnames are Megonnigil and
> Mannion. Both are from Ireland. The Megonnigils are probably from
> Donegal; the
> Mannion sample is from Galway. Both have been SNP tested.
>
> One of the ambitions of this project is to uncover new SNPS. It is
> possible some kind of sub-clade dividing SNP could be found through the
> test. Of
> course it could also just find some new SNPs further subdividing L21 as a
>
> whole.
>
> Megonnigil is mostly probably McGonagle, a Donegal surname. It's also
> probably Cenel Conaill, or descended from a son of Nial. The Mannion
> sample
> is from Galway. As such it's probably Connachta of some kind, or
> descended from alleged brothers of Nial. I don't think any of us know
> exactly what
> this surname represents but it should be different from the likely Cenel
> Conaill origin of the Megonnigils.
>
> Since the two most prevalent locations for this DNA are Ireland and
> Scotland it would be of value to have a Scottish participant if one is
> interested. The test is expensive ($750). In our ccgg project we pooled
> resources
> with various members chipping in about $25 to cover the cost for one
> test.
> That could also be done for a Scottish participant in the Walk on the Y
> Project if anyone felt like organizing a drive. You'd just have to pick
> an
> M222 candidate with definite roots in Scotland (Dunbars and Ewings come
> to
> mind). Funds can be deposited into the general fund at the FTDNA M222
> Project to pay for the test.
>
> I have an application form for the test if anyone is interested.
>
> You could also pick some geographically outlying samples from Norway,
> France or Germany.
>
> Others may have ideas on a third subject to test. If so fire away. The
> test may find something or it may not. If any new SNPS are found, even
> what
> may be private ones, FTDNA has said it will later test for those at
> reasonable prices.
>
>
> John
>
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