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From: "Sandy Paterson" <>
Subject: Re: [R-M222] Byrne TMRCA Estimates
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:02:25 +0100
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Hi Paul

I've had a closer look at Burns and variants and I get the feeling that
there are two distinct groups :

Group 1105684,112329,N44855,85959,34737,92023,42289,92019
Group 294660,36715,30771,39360,70950,32133,N2321,76936,20413

Do you think it's possible that the one group is Scots-Irish and the other
group Irish-Irish? I may be way off the mark.

Sandy



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Subject: [R-M222] Byrne TMRCA Estimates

"Isn't that about what we'd expect from a related group with a common
ancestor who arose as a distinct sept at about the time of surnames?"

John,
One of my project members asked why th4e Byrne M222 did not trace back to
Niall's time. I told him that it undoubtedly did, but as part of another
group name--some Roscommon, Sligo, or Donegal clan probably. Then the
Byrne/Burns/Beirne group split (not sure if it was all together at one time)
from the mainstream group, or from a clan that did not necessarily dissolve
at that time, between 1036 and 1387 AD.
But I see what you mean. Perhaps all M222 of a single surname would
appear to have diverged from the main pool within that time frame. If so,
wouldn't a phylo chart based on the modal for each group show which surnames
were grouped into "tribal" subdivisions post-Niall but before this split?
Didn't we experiment with this at one time and found that the Reillys,
McGoverns, and Fergusons were on the same branch, while the Dohertys and
Gallaghers were close on another? I believe the Byrne NW modal was too close
to the NW Irish Modal to be distinguishable, though I suppose that should
tell me something.
Maybe I am going in circles here.
Paul
R1b1c7 Research and Links:

http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/
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