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From: Connie <>
Subject: Re: [R-M222] [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1b2e??
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:01:54 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <bc1.498716eb.36d23a17@aol.com>
http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpR09.html
Hi Billy,
I'm sorry this is confusing. The link above will take you to the latest ISOGG haplogroup tree. The tree keeps changing as the scientists identify new SNPs to test for the DNA projects. The new SNPs add additional branches to the tree so the names like R1b1c7 have to change and they get longer and longer - and longer.
ISOGG is the main group that is creating the haplotree and they pull from more than one testing company. FTDNA is more conservative, so is sometimes behind the naming sequence. ISOGG will give one string of letters and numbers for M222+ and FTDNA will give the sting that might be just one step behind.
M222 is the SNP that defines our group when we test positive for that SNP - so the shorthand name is R M222+. Anyone that gets a results of M222- is not in our group.
This renaming process is taking place in all the haplogroups, not just in M222. Because of the fast changes, and the length of the haplogroup names, there was a call from project administrators to find a constant name for each haplogroup. That is when the shorthand names were adopted. R M222+ will remain constant.
As for when and where M222 originated, the researchers in that area are still working on that one. We do know where the concentration of M222 exists today and you will see that in the map at the M222 DNA project.
Connie McKenzie
--- On Sat, 2/21/09, <> wrote:
From: <>
Subject: Re: [R-M222] [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1b2e??
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Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 9:18 PM
Thanks Walt I hope Mitch got more out of this then I did? Is there a new
location, and has it changed the focus? And are their any other changes, like
are we still Irish, Scot both or did it originate in some other location?
Thanks Billy
In a message dated 2/21/2009 8:21:29 P.M. Central Standard Time,
writes:
Hi Mitch & ALL ,
Hope this post finds things going well.
R-M222 (prefered R:M222) is the latest overall designation ('08)
which equals Ftdna latest '08 R1b1b2a1b5 and Isogg latest '08
R1b1b2a1b6b.
R1b1b2e '07 Ftdna previous = R1b1b2ae '07. Previos for all was the
'old'
R1b1c7
'05. Hope this info is helpful.
With kind regards , Walt
G'pa McKenzie - Central NJ Shore via Boston
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-----Original Message-----
From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of Connie
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 6:36 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [R-M222] [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1b2e??
Most people now just use the short cut of "R M222+"
As more SNPs are added the string of letters and numbers will change. ISOGG
has it listed one way and FTDNA another.
--- On Sat, 2/21/09, yair <> wrote:
From: yair <>
Subject: Re: [R-M222] [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1b2e??
To:
Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 2:37 PM
At 02:46 AM 4/3/2008, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>
> Can someone explain to this rookie what this new haplogroup
> designation means...R1b1b2e-M222(R1b1c7)? Are we no longer r1b1c7?
> Does this new group pinpoint a new location or area of focus? Is it
> official? What changes besides the numbers and letters?
ON
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/origins_haplogroups_europe.shtml
They refer to "us" as
R1b1b2a1b6b (R1b1c7)
>
> Thanks,
> Mitch
>
>
>
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