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From: Paul Conroy <>
Subject: Re: [R-M222] Genetic Distance/Diversity
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:19:06 -0500
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David,

> And on the other hand the Irish, who do know where they come from "right
> here, sor, for generations", but

have neither the need nor the finance to put up samples.


For starters, Irish people don't speak in "stage Irish" accents. They
certainly wouldn't address someone like you as Sor or Sir either.

And finally, contra to your nineteenth century stereotype, the Irish are
wealthier than the US - in terms of GDP per capita 2007 - so you need to
re-evaluate your prejudices!

As an Irishman who grew up not to far from Kilkenny - where your ancestors
probably hail from - I can tell you that most Irish do indeed know their
ancestry, going back many generations. I myself know 6 to 7 generations of
ancestors and up to 5th cousins - something most Americans can only dream
about.

As they say in New York, "Money talks, bullshit walks" - so yes it would be
best if you ponied up some cash to get Irish people interested.

Cheers,
Paul

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 4:44 AM, David Grant <> wrote:

> >
> > "most samples just do not know where they are from. Some are guesswork
> based on surname books.
> >
> > I put the entire M222 project online in spreadsheet format as well.
> >
> > _Excel Spreadsheet format_
> > (http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/M222project.xls) "
>
> That is a useful spread sheet.
>
> As you say most samples have no idea where they come from. M222
> research, indeed Irish DNA research, is dogged by the fact that those
> who put up samples are mainly Americans who do not know where they come
> from, but have the money for a test. And on the other hand the Irish,
> who do know where they come from "right here, sor, for generations", but
> have neither the need nor the finance to put up samples.
>
> My own experience is that the surname books are not a good place to look
> for answers. Surnames have too many derivations, many completely
> unconnected except for the empty letters of the name.
>
> I am currently putting together a project on the origins of my Grant
> family in Ireland (and no most of them are not Scottish). I believe that
> the only way of doing this is to get local Irish men with the surname
> and some idea of their genealogy to supply a sample that I pay for! It
> costs money, but is probably the only way to get the answer, for one
> surname anyway.
>
>
> R1b1c7 Research and Links:
>
> http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/
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