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Subject: Re: [R-M222] Connachta Origins of M222
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 21:57:24 EST
In a message dated 1/6/2009 12:46:47 P.M. Central Standard Time,
writes:
P. 80
Belgic tribes from SE England led by Gann (Commius) and Sengann invaded
along the Shannon estuary in W Ireland where Ptolemy located the Gangani.
Dela, grandson of Gann, invaded through Ath Cliath Magh Ri *- EDIT: aka
Clarinbridge -* in Galway Bay. He made Turoe/Knocknadala in central Galway
the core of his kigdom where Ptolemy located Regia e Tera (REGIA E TE[mh]RA,
Capital at Turoe) and NAG na TAL (Knocknadal).
Interesting quotes! I wish I had a copy of that book (hand of history).
One of O'Rahilly's arguments that the Connachta were not in Ireland until
fairly late is the tribal names in Ptolemy's map. There he could find no
tribal name that vaguely resembled Connachta or Dal Cuinn, the two earliest names
we have for M222. If you look at the Ireland in Maps site, their version of
Ptolemy's map renders Gangani as Concani. I asked the author about this and
he said he got it from somewhere but couldn't recall where.
_http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlkik/ihm/ire150.htm_
(http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlkik/ihm/ire150.htm)
I just looked at his map again and now he shows both Gangani and Concani in
the same area.
It is possible for me to see Conn in Concani.
O'Rahilly also claimed the material in Ptolemy's map was dated much earlier
than the date of composition (c. 150 AD). He claimed it probably came from
an earlier Greek geographer and should be dated to c. 300 BC. But most modern
historians do not agree with him (like the one quoted in your passages).
O'Rahilly also made the point that if Ptolemy's map of Ireland was to be dated
to 150 AD. then there should be some sign of the Connachta or Dal Cuinn in
the tribal names. By then they were a major force in Ireland.
For a time I played with the possibility that the Venicnii of NW Ireland was
some kind of corruption of the Scottish Venicones, which also might contain
the root Conn (gentive). But no major scholar has embraced that theory and
it may be just a similarity in names.
C and G tend to be alternate forms in Ireland (thinking here of Mac and
Mag). But I would have no idea how the Irish form might have been alliterated
into Greek (the original text of Ptolemy's map). It seems to me O'Rahilly had
a brief discussion of the Gangani but I'd have to look it up to see what he
said.
John
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