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From: "Paul Conroy" <>
Subject: Re: [R-M222] Connachta Origins of M222
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:46:04 -0500
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John,
Check this out:
http://www.handofhistory.com/photos/displa...bum=1&pos=1<http://www.handofhistory.com/photos/displayimage.php?album=1&pos=1>;

*Celtic Manapi, Morini & Atrebates were driven SW into Belgium, N France & S
Britain. The Morini lost Kassel Morinorum to the Manapi who renamed it
Kassel Manapiorum. The Atrebates lost Thuroit and established Thouruanna &
Ait Regia (Atrecht) near Belgium's upper Door River. Advancing Roman legions
forced the Belgae to devise and erect an elaborate Belgic defensive system
around their Capitals.*

So having been pushed out of this area, they took to sea and invaded
Southern England, South Eastern Ireland and Western Ireland.
Remember that one of the great invasions of Ireland was carried out by the
FIR BOLG or FIR BELG - where FIR=Men (like Latin Vir=men), thus rendering
the name "Men of Belgae".

See these book excerpts from "Hand of History, Burden of Psuedo History" by
Tom O'Connor
http://www.handofhistory.com/


Especially this excerpt from the book:
http://www.handofhistory.com/excerpts.html
*P. 78
Having examined the unique Belgic defensive system on the Continent and in
Britain, it is time to look at those areas of Ireland to which the Belgae
(Fir Belg) migrated and set up their primary settlement areas.

P. 80
Belgic tribes from SE England led by Gann (Commius) and Sengann invaded
along the Shannon estuary in W Ireland where Ptolemy located the Gangani.
Dela, grandson of Gann, invaded through Ath Cliath Magh Ri *- EDIT: aka
Clarinbridge -* in Galway Bay. He made Turoe/Knocknadala in central Galway
the core of his kigdom where Ptolemy located Regia e Tera (REGIA E TE[mh]RA,
Capital at Turoe) and NAG na TAL (Knocknadal).

P. 89
Chapter 2 reconstructs the Turoe oppidum and its Belgic defensive system.
Thrill to the 'discovery' of Ptolemy's "most extensive acropolis in all
Britannia" of one of the most massive oppida in Celtic Europe.

P. 120
Ptolemy located Regia E Tera in central Co. Galway where Turoe (Cnoc Temhro)
stands today.

P. 184
Ptolemy's Regia E Tera in Western Ireland is as close a rendition of the
Irish Regia e Temhra (minus the silenced 'mh' = Capital at Turoe, e Temhra)
as one could achieve in Greek letters.*


Also this map of Turoe:
http://www.handofhistory.com/photos/displa...um=1&pos=20<http://www.handofhistory.com/photos/displayimage.php?album=1&pos=20>;
Turoe (Ptolemy's 'REGIA E TE[MH]RA': 'Temhair' or 'Cnoc Temhro' as old Irish
speakers insist; 'Temhroit' in some archaic references, literally echoing
the Continental Thuroit/Theruanna - c.f. Map of Belgica, top of photo file)
in central Co. Galway in W Ireland.

This all seems to point to a Fir Bolg/Belg aka Belgae origin of the
Connachta, and hence the Ui Neill...

Cheers,
Paul

On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:30 PM, John Mclaughlin <> wrote:

> <There is an alternate theory of where Tara - seat of the Irish high
> kings - was actually located, that is Turoe in central Galway. This
> would accord to where Ptolemy of Alexandria, writing in about 200 AD,
> said it was in his geography of Ireland.
>
> Paul, that's an interesting theory. I don't know enough to form much of
> a judgment about it though. It does make me wonder though. I never
> have found much southern Ui Neill DNA in Ysearch. Weren't they
> supposedly kings of Tara or at least Kings of the territory of Meath in
> which Tara was located? If Tara of the Connachta was not in Meath but
> Galway it makes me wonder if the southern Ui Neill really did descend
> from Nial and/or the Connachta as the pedigrees state.
>
> We've got tons of M222 in the NW and adjacent counties, lots in
> Connacht, but so far very little in Meath or the midlands in general. I
> know you and your Dunnes are M222 - and I've found a handful of possible
> southern Ui Neill DNA matches - but nothing on the scale of what we've
> found in the NW and Connacht.
>
> In our McLaughlin DNA project I've been on the lookout for any
> McLoughlin DNA that might be M222 from Meath or anywhere in the
> midlands. We haven't found any yet although we do have some
> unidentified M222 McLaughlins who don't match the Donegal cluster.
> According to O'Donovan and other surname experts, the old Kings of Meath
> and High Kings of Ireland were the O Maelsechlainns (O'Melaghlins).
> The spelling of their name is supposed to have changed to McLoughlin at
> some point in Irish records. I also haven't found any M222 surnames
> that can be linked to the Sil Maine, another southern Ui Neill group.
> There is one surname on Sorenson that might be M222 and southern Ui
> Neill - Geogheghan.
>
> U7NDR Dunn U.S.
> 3G5W3 Dunne Kings/Offaly, Ireland
> A2GCJ Molloy Tipperary, Ireland
> SMGF Geoghegan Westmeath
>
> I find this very strange since one hardly has to look for M222 in other
> parts of Ireland. It's all over the place.
>
>
>
> John
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