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From: "Sandy Paterson" <>
Subject: Re: [R-M222] Common Markers in M222
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 16:21:46 -0000
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Hi Paul

As I recall, of all of the M222+ project participants, you were 9th closest
on average to the L21+ participants (about 50 of them at the time). There
were definitely some L21+ participants that you were closer to than some
M222+ participants, but as I recall, you were still closer to M222+ than you
were to L21+ on average. (Hope that makes sense).

Since then the L21+ group has grown to at least 80, so it's probably worth
having another look, which I'll do tomorrow.


Sandy



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[mailto:] On Behalf Of Paul Conroy
Sent: 06 January 2009 15:40
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Subject: Re: [R-M222] Common Markers in M222

John, Paul (Byrne), Sandy (Patterson),
Well I'm 391=10, as I mentioned before, and have many matches to the
O'Reilly's and some to other Breifne clans - however I'm a Conroy from
Laois. My closest match is a Dunne from Laois, whom I match 24/25, and since
the Laois Conroy's descend from the Dunne's, this would be correct.

If you remember Sandy Patterson calculated that although I am M222+, my STR
values were very close to the L21+ M222- values, as were some others from
South Leinster. So this area may actually be the originator of the M222
SNP?!

The Dunne's inhabited the Ui Reagan territory bordering Laois/Offaly and are
said to be Southern O'Neill. However they also border the O'Connor Faly
(after whom Offaly is named) and this clan are Connachta. So it may be that
in actuality the South Leinster people get their M222+ from the Connachta
directly, and not via the Southern O'Neill??

BTW, I've always considered Byrne and O'Byrne to be Wicklow names - I grew
up with relatives of that name and neighbors too.

Cheers,
Paul Conroy


On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 8:44 AM, John Mclaughlin <> wrote:

> <Five Byrne project members of the 28 in our M222 cluster have 391=10.
> Three of the five can trace to the same geographic area
> (Monaghan-Louth), and since the other two are uncertain of their roots,
> they also may originate there.
>
> I noticed that 391-10 group of yours, Paul. It doesn't seem like they
> could be Connachta from Monaghan-Louth. At least that doesn't seem to
> be a hotspot for M222.
>
>
> John
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