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Subject: [R-M222] R-M222 Variation of 390=24
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 12:35:31 +0000 (UTC)
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"One of the areas I think needs some work are the TMRCA estimates.  In
the timeline we have John McEwan's early work (which he states was based
on ASD) giving a TMRCA of about 1350 BC.  David Wilson posted recently
he thought the TMRCA was about 1,500 to 2,000 years BP or from 500 AD.
to 0 AD although he did say the M222+ common ancestor could be much
older than that."

      I was hoping that 390=24 would indicate a very early mutation in the Connachta, even before Niall of the Nine Hostages--perhaps into one of the other major lines such as the Ui Fiachrach or the Ui Briuin, both of which later divided into sub-lines. But, of course, no such luck.
      One problem is that while histories identify many local names--such as the sub-chiefs of the Ui Fiachrach Muaidhe chieftains the O'Dowds (of the 20 septs under The O Dowd in west Sligo that were listed by Mac Firbis the three principal ones were O Kavanagh, O Muldoon, and O Conway)--there is no certainty that they were Ui Fiachrach. They could have been remnants of much older occupants of their areas. So, an O Feeny or O Connaughton of west Sligo may well have been subservient to the O Dowd, but not necessarily M222 (as many but not all present-day O Dowds are).
   As John said, the TMRCAs need a lotta work. There SHOULD be a traceable M222 pattern if that mutation occurred within a couple of thousand years. The lack of one seems to me evidence of much earlier origin. Hope I am making sense here.
Paul

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