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From: "Richard B. Hare" <>
Subject: Re: [R-M222] R-M222 Value of 390=24
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 11:29:56 -0500
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Hi Pablo;
I've been doing pretty well by using the M222 list with the book "The
Surnames of Ireland" by Edward MacLysaght. It looks at traditional geo's of
names.
For instance:
"Ford(e):A well-known English name, widely used as a synonym for various
Irish Names, viz. MacKinnawe, MacElnay, Foran, Forhane. IF150 Map Galway and
Leitrim." (there's a map of Ireland in the back of the book with names in
geo locations.)

It helped me split Haire and Hare with only 12 alleles. These Hare/Haire
were at opposite ends of M222 after sorting. Be glad to share my sorting
system publicly if you'd like.

Cheers,
Dick Hare

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Subject: [R-M222] R-M222 Value of 390=24



   I ran two variations of the M222 modal through Ysearch. The standard one
of 390=25 385b=13 392=14 produced 961 8/0 matches. I filled in the search
haplotype with five fairly constant value markers, but since there have
been  mutations among them, my total is not correct.

   What I wanted was a rough figure to compare with a 390=24 385b=13 392=14
profile, which is what about 25% of my project's M222 cluster has, and which
seems to represent Co. Sligo origins. The change to 390=24 produced 123
matches, about 11% of the total.

   However, I could not find a geographic pattern. The most frequest names
having 390=24 are Burgess (8), Burns/Byrne/Beirne (7), Ferguson (4), Galyean
(3), and Ford (3). The Irish Times surname site
http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/index.htm  places Burgess in east Ulster
as immigrants, Ferguson in Down/Antrim/Tyrone, and has no suggestions for
Galyean. Ford, the anglicization of several gaelic names in south and north
Connaught is the only that might help, but one name does not a pattern
make. 

Paul
R1b1c7 Research and Links:

http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/
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