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From: "Sandy Paterson" <>
Subject: Re: [R-M222] L21
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:18:29 -0000
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I make it 52 generations for M222+ and 112 generations for L21+. Using 30
years as a generation, this makes them around 1560 years and 3360 years
resp.

I've noticed something else about (L21+, M222-) that seems odd. Up to now
I've been looking only at 37 marker results. However, if you look at 67
marker results, where M222+ is modal at 25 for DYS481, you find a zero
presence of DYS481=25 in (L21+,M222-) amongst the 50-odd participants in the
L21 project.

Also, there's only one participant with DYS481=23, and one with DYS481=24.
The rest are all DYS=22.


Mmm.


Sandy





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Subject: Re: [R-M222] L21

In a message dated 12/11/2008 2:38:58 P.M. Central Standard Time,
writes:

Combining (L21+,M222-) and (L21+,M222+) and having a go at trying to
determine a TMRCA would be an meaningless exercise though.

I agree with that. Then you'd be back to P312/S116 which also takes in the

old R1b1c10, which in itself is so diverse no modal is possible.

L21 is interesting for those who formerly had no haplogroup downstream of
P312 but I don't think it tells us much about R1b1c7. 2,000 BC. or earlier
is
long before any tribal group we've ever read about in history.


John


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