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From: "Sandy Paterson" <>
Subject: Re: [R-M222] NPE Frequency
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:05:26 -0000
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>
I would say that's a highly confusing string of names. Alias Lamond? It
looks to me like they could all be Lamonts.
>

Yes, this would probably confuse many Scots too, but that was one of the
ways in which naming was done in Scotland. Lamond was the clan name at the
time (it changed to Lamont later) and many people were described as 'so and
so' alias 'xyz'

The same document (and remember this is a legal document in the public
domain in which identification is important) includes for example

Neil McPatrick, alias Lamond
John McPatrick alias Lamond in Ardyne

meaning Neil, the son of Patrick, Clan Lamond and so on. Not too different
from the Irish way, but I can see how you could be confused.

>
It looks to me like they could all be Lamonts.
>

I have no doubt some McPatricks ended up with the surname Lamont. As you've
mentioned, surnames in Scotland were pretty fluid.

It's also quite possible that they were McEwans, ex of Ottir. Being a broken
clan it would be perfectly natural for McEwans to be assimilated into Clan
Lamont, especially if, as the genealogies go, McEwans and Lamonts were
descended from brothers.


>
Have you ever said what makes you think your NPE is a Lamont? Or is that
something that came up from your DNA test?
>

Yes, but I'll repeat it.

And no, DNA tests merely confirmed that the information passed down by the
family over the years was accurate.

My g-grandfather b 1873 in Kirkfieldbank, Lanark, was believed by the family
to have been the illegitimate son of one Stuart Lamont. My gg-grandmother
never married, and died at the age of 23, about 5 years after my
g-grandfather was born.

In 1993, I commissioned a company called Achievements Ltd to look into
Paterson genealogy and to check for any links to Lamonts. They found no
links. I still have the report, so it's on record that my family believed a
direct Lamont descent long before DNA testing became an option.

However, a DNA test done many years later, showed a 66/67 match between
myself and an Edwin Lodge Lamont. My next closest match is 62/67 with John
Lewis McCann, one of the Ulster Heritage O Cathains. This is followed by a
McHarg (61/67) and five others at 60/67. In all (excluding Edwin Lodge
Lamont), four out of my seven nearest matches over 67 markers are in the
group that Ulster Heritage have classified as O Cathain, hence my questions.

The 66/67 match includes the very unusual combination of 26,14 at DYS
481,487. There are only two participants in the M222+ project that have that
combination, namely myself and a Gillespie.

The final confirmation of the Lamont connection comes from a more recent
Lamont DNA test, Ysearch 8KPK6, which also has the unusual 26,14 at DYS
481,487.


Sandy






















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Subject: Re: [R-M222] NPE Frequency

In a message dated 12/2/2008 5:42:54 A.M. Central Standard Time,
writes:

John Lamond Makquein alias Lamond
Archibald Mackquein alias Lamond
Donald Mackquein alias Lamond
John Mackquein younger alias Lamond
James Macquein alias Lamond in Neithercowal
James Lamond, his son


I would say that's a highly confusing string of names. Alias Lamond? It
looks to me like they could all be Lamonts.

Have you ever said what makes you think your NPE is a Lamont? Or is that
something that came up from your DNA test?


John






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