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From: "David Wilson" <>
Subject: Re: [R-M222] Yet another revised haplogroup name for the M222 branch
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 17:46:43 -0800
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I should have posted the link to the updated page:
http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpR08.html

Also, check out this graphic, which shows the position of R-M222 in the
second tier of the right-hand (red) group:

http://dna-forums.org/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=1242

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If anyone still believes that M222 is of high antiquity in Europe, these
diagrams should undercut that notion because they emphasize its relative
youth. Regardless of when the M222 mutation first occurred, it can not have
been that long ago in light of the long developmental history of the M269
branch in Europe that leads up to the emergence of M222.

And it still remains the case that regardless of when the M222 SNP first
occurred, the man that carried it is extremely unlikely to be the MRCA of
all M222+ individuals today. Instead, one of his descendants -- even a much
later descendant -- is likely to be the common ancestor.

David Wilson

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Subject: [R-M222] Yet another revised haplogroup name for the M222 branch

In the new ISOGG tree, the proper branch label for M222 is R1b1b2a1b6b.

FTDNA is still using the recently established label R1b1b2a1b5 for M222.

As knowledge of SNPs and new branching points in the Y-DNA Tree expand, it
will be harder and harder to keep all researchers and tree keepers
completely informed. That is why there is a growing tendency to refer to
branches of the tree by their major alphabetic identifier and the defining
SNP -- in the case of this group, R-M222. A SNP's relative position on the
tree may be subject to adjustment, but its identity is unchanging.

David Wilson

R1b1c7 Research and Links:

http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/
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